By Niall Magennis
Reviewed: 23 Mar 2011
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Why visit the "NEW beta site" when an overdose of orange can now be had here? Be careful TrustedReviews, you are getting closer to losing this regular visitor.
What the main difference with this and the Desire HD? I know the screen is smaller here and has a front facing camera, but otherwise the specs look the same, form factor aside. And does the average score of this phone versus the Desire HD show how far this end of the market has progressed in the last 6 months?
@Ed - Scroll down the page(s) to the bottom of the text and the large orange bars, headers and sub-headers suddenly assault the retinas! I have nothing against anyone redesigning their website but as you and others have hopefully noted from the many comments in that particular item, the new look is not exactly finding favour. I am a very regular visitor and admirer of TR, but am concerned design is taking precedence over content to a detrimental effect and, for me, that reduces the TR experience. I mean, isn't it better to tell your wife / girlfriend she's getting fat rather than waiting till she asks, "Do I look fat in this?"?
We've had the Recombu mobile comparison widget for months and I would strongly argue that it's been very well implemented. It fits in neatly with the current site design, is clean and simple and doesn't encroach on the content. I'll concede that there's a fair amount of orange, and we could perhaps have used a bit more grey, but it has always been our company colour.
The Endaget review was far more positive about this phone. They said that while it didn't really offer much new the experience was extremely polished. Although there isn't a dual core processor the new graphics card is supposed to make a very noticable difference.
@Rav that would be the same engadget reviewer that was mostly positive about the LGx2 in his review and on the Podcast only to give it a 6/10? Now it could be argued that it deserved to be marked down harshly due to the buggy software but then the idiot wrote 'Dualcore' as a CON! Nuff said. Vlad is off my list on reviewers I would listen too.HTC really seems to be struggling waiting for Qualcomm to get that new 1.2Ghz Dualcore chip out. American will be seeing such handsets soon. Best to wait and not buy a 'Stop-gap' like this.
I don't get it... this phone is supposed to be a step up on the Desire HD, better battery life and gets a low score based on... lack of innovation ? And what if it would be dual core ? Probably wouldn't be any faster as the OS doesn't optimize for dual cores yet so it's a big of a lost argument.
@RunadumbLol. I missed that one since LG handsets are on no interest at all to me but it does sound worrying. However the Incredible S review was fairly well written. I didn't mean to criticise this review. I just find it interesting that the conclusions seems quite different.
On reflection we feel that some of the language in this review is perhaps a tad harsh and we've adjusted some of the text accordingly. We've also bumped the design and overall scores in recognition of the fact that some people won't mind the protrusion.
ED - where does that leave the site now? There will be an inevitable deluge from some users around certain products, thinking that they can influence reviews. This has the potential to cause a major loss of credibility.
@Greg: It's not unprecedented. We've tweaked our reviews before when we've felt it appropriate. Sometimes things slip through the editorial net and we need to have a rethink. After all, we're not here to make ourselves stand out from the crowd, we want to help our readers make the right purchasing decision.
Will you be reviewing the Xperia Arc?
A question for the folks here, I currently have an HTC Desire, the first one. I find it a brilliant phone but am constantly running out of internal memory, in order to install new apps I have to uninstall some of the big phone memory hoggers like Adobe Flash or Google Maps and then reinstall once the wanted app is safely on board. Having a phone with a 32GB SD card which is permanently telling me I'm low on memory (below 15MB free) is really bugging me, how does this phone compare in this regard?
I think it's great that you tweak reviews! Should do it more often, especially when obvious errors in judgment appear.Just hope that we won't be seeing HTC Incredible S ads on TrustedReviews any time soon, now that would be a serious loss of credibility.
Thanks for replying Ed. It is akin to posting a retraction on the next day front cover, but equally there will be many that don't understand the process of marking, and equally the language normally used, especially for a freelance report.If freelanceers are used, could it be possible within editorial guidelines to let us know - flag it up?Items such as this do bring the whole ratings into account. For example, there are rarely ratings under 5/10 (rarely, not never) published here, but 5/10 should be average. Otherwise, if you're just operating in 5/10 to 10/10, you may as well adjust.Does the site therefore only publish reviews of items which have a minimum standard, or does it not really use the range 0/10 - 5/10. This always bugs me on review sites, no matter how intelligent the write-up.
@myst: We most certainly shall - I loved that phone when I saw it as CES.@Rocklett: The Incredible S has 1.1GB of internal memory, which is double that of the Desire, so you should less frequently (indeed seldom) run out of space for apps. @Greg: My pleasure, we're always happy to have a dialogue with our readers.It's less an issue of freelancers per se but one of who's editing, how much time there is to edit, etc. The same issues can arise from in-house content - things sometimes get missed. As to the scoring, the whole thing is a bit of a minefield as we have to consider what is average, what we'd expect for the price, whether expectations have shifted, etc. You're quite right that we could've scored this phone 5/10 or 6/10 across the board for essentially being a fairly average smartphone, which is what Niall was originally erring towards, but we also have to consider the impression that leaves and how it compares to other phones of similar performance that are still available but that were reviewed a short time ago and scored highly. Anyone walking away from this review seeing those scores would consider it a device not worth considering whereas, in fact, it's a perfectly nice phone.As for not publishing reviews of poor products, it's for three reasons. 1. There aren't that many truly bad products that aren't already clear bargain basement knock offs. 2. Trying to get hold of crummy products is difficult as manufacturers know they're rubbish so don't want to hand them over. 3. Readers don't want to hear about poor products, except for a bit of a laugh. They want to know what's best to buy, not countless things to avoid.
I think it would prudent to avoid the pitfalls of criticising a single core phone for lacking a second core until the benefits of dual core chips have been proven. As of now, there's little to differentiate single core phones from their dual core brethren. It would be a shame to see perfectly good phones marked down for no good reason. Future proofing is all well and good, but no-one should expect their handset to remain state-of-the-art 18 months after release, and it may take even longer than that before multi core chips become relevant.
@Rocklett,I used to have an HTC Desire, my advice to get around your issue if you wish to keep it and your technically capable is to ROOT your HTC desire and install CyanogenMod 7 (Gingerbread 2.3) using a recovery such as Clockwork Recovery and then use Rom Manager from the market to create an EXT3 partition on your SD Card and install and use Simple2Ext (also from the market) to manage applications to install to it.I'm obviously over simplifying things above, but it will give your HTC Desire a breath of fresh air and life again.If nothing else, it will tidy you over till the new 3D Sense versions finally arrive.
@AdamI would't recommend running a journaled filesystem like Ext3 on an SD card as they lack wear levelling, you'll lose your data eventually.Better to set it up as Ext4 in non-journaled mode ( tune2fs -O ^has_journal )Howto here: http://forum.xda-developers.co...
@Ed @Adam & Gk.pm thanks for the replies and advice. I've rooted 3 Orange San Franciso's and installed Japanese_Jellyfish_RLS9 using Clockwork Recovery etc. over the last few weeks, but they were not for me. I guess the time has come to do my precious Desire as well.
Ed - appreciate the replies. It is interesting to see the results of the experiences you've built up over the years when reviewing, especially about not publishing the negative reviews.What would be a great insight would be to see what products you're actually reviewing, whether or not a review makes it - if not in name at least number.
@Ggreg: Just to clarify, we never hold back a review because it's bad - if we've gone to the effort of obtaining, testing and writing about something then we'll publish it - it's just that we seldom get bad products in for the reasons mentioned above.
Interested in this phone but not coming with gingerbread out the box is a downer to me. Plus HTC seem to be slow in updating older handsets too. Makes me with the Nexus S had better hardware. Might wait a bit longer for the Samsung Galaxy S 2 instead.
There's on thing I like about this phone: the look. I think the Original desire was the ugliest, ugliest, dullest looking phone to be released in this premium bracket. This looks sleek in comparison.
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