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never buy samsung players
No S recommendations like the new tv range then?
I must've bought a different BD-F8500 to yours. I loathe this machine, it's UI is so incredibly bad.
To get to the list of recorded programmes takes about 8 button presses (including a pointless screen asking "Do you want to see the recorded programmes on my built-in 500Gb hard disc, or on an external USB key... even though I can see you haven't got any USB devices plugged in..") Genius.
They fill the remote control with buttons for Web Browser, e-manual, smart hub, social TV, etc etc... Give us a simple "Recordings" button, to take us immediately to a list (without pointless thumbnail images, please) of our recordings !!
And to delete a programme once you've watched it takes a MINIMUM of 10 button presses. It would've been SO much easier to have had a "Delete" option when you selected a programme and pressed the "Info" button, but no...
It takes about 1 minute from turning on the machine to get to the title menu of my Avatar Blu-Ray disc, and jumping to different scenes is incredibly slow (previously I was using a PS3 - it was much faster).
The user manual is barely finished - even the April 2013 one on Samsung's website. It sums up the "TV Guide" instruction in one line: "Provide programme information for each channels [sic]." And the "Edit Channel" function is explained in huge detail: "It is provided to edit functions for channel [sic, sic!]." That's pretty much the level of support you can expect for this product.
This is, without doubt, the biggest purchasing mistake I've made.
You think it's worth 9 out of 10 ? Really...?
(A week later.)
This thing's going back to Samsung. Last night I set it up to record The Apprentice from 9pm to 10pm (all worked fine), then a programme from 10pm to 10.30pm. This has recorded with all of the sound about 2 seconds out of sync. The TV channel is fine. The recording isn't.
Also, I still haven't worked out how to resume watching a DVD. It seems to "try" doing it sometimes, when I click on "Home", then "Play disc", then spends about two full minutes making "scraping" noises as it attempts to work out how to continue playing the disc. You can't stop it, or press Eject on the remote control or on the device itself. It just scrapes away. Usually, I give up on it, yank the power cable out, play the disc again, and it plays normally (from the very beginning of the disc though).
This happens on most of our DVDs, and cleaning them makes no difference at all.
So, it fails as a DVD/Blu-Ray player, it fails as a PVR and it's user interface is a disaster.
The worst consumer device I've bought in years.
Just taken delivery of this and set it up. I'm in the UK, so your mileage will vary. No LoveFilm, no ITV, no 5 on demand, no 4OD...in fact, no BBC iPlayer! Not entirely sure what's going on, but I'm not impressed thus far.
Sorted my issues out, more trial and error than anything. Only think missing is 5 on demand...I can live with that. Interface is OK generally, would have been nice to get the Smart Hub interface off the TVs rather than the dumbed down three pane thing. UEX aside, I can't think of another single device that weighs in with all these features in one box. It's a little frustrating in places, lots of button pressing, not entirely common sense and the remote isn't the most responsive in the world either.
But, iPlayer, ITV player, 4OD, Netflix, LoveFilm, Twin HD PVR, BluRay Playback and media streaming (MKV, MP4, xViD etc). I think I can put up with a few quirks. There's better interfaces out there, but none that do all of that ^^^^^.
I got the F8900M which is basically the same player but with a 1tb HD in place of the 500gb have had no issues with BluRay playback but there is a massive issue with the player when returning to live tv from using either BBC iPlayer or playing a Video from my PC using the AllShare connection where the Sound and Picture are out of sync only turning off and back on fixes it. Also the still missing Demand 5, ITV Player and the Blinkbox apps with no news on a release date for them is a negative as well.
What's the best PVR (preferably with Blu-Ray player) that allows you to back-up external archives of TV-programs you record?
The Panasonic DMR-BWT735 will allow the archiving of recorded TV programs to a recordable DVD or Blu-ray disc. But like most of these HDD recorders you can't record to an external HDD for playback on another system.
Only the Humax recorders allow the transfer of recordings for use externally.
The Panasonic products may be a little more expensive but at least they have been designed with the user in mind! Watching a recorded program and want to delete it... just press the DEL key on the remote and then confirm the deletion! Quick and simple as it should be! I think the reviewer for this must have had some rose tinted specs on!
Bought one of these about a month ago. Mistake! 1. Would not connect to B/G router had to buy N router2. Web browsing very slow (20mbps connection get about 3-4 mbps through this device) so cannot use live content3. Recording is virtually useless, cannot add padding to record times, in most cases starts recording well after scheduled EPG time so misses start of show. Samsungs fix for this is to manually input recording times. Hardly a fix but even when attempting the EPG over rides the manual time and sets it back to EPG time. Our EPG timing is spot on by the way, I have a Topfield PVR on and it runs fine from the broadcast EPG never misses a recording.4. Series link records multiple channels so often get two recordings of the same show (Toppy doesn't do this)5. Many recordings report FAIL for no apparent reason6. Timeshift does not work unless you press PLAY on the remote whilst watching the channel you want to timeshift - very odd no idea how they came up with this logic.7. Remote control not intuitiveEssentially I have paid $400 for a set top box as the recording is of no use at all. PS I have a Toppy TRF7160 and it has its shortfalls but far exceeds the Samsung unit. Bought the Samsung for the BD and Catch Up TV apps which do work very well I will add.
I bought one yesterday, installed and updated to the latest s/w version 1004.1. Have already noticed that Scheduled Recording TV via the Guide is rubbish - If the TV program moves or plays later you end up getting only the last bits of the previously scheduled program and it stops recording - utterly useless! Called Samsung Support about this and they basically said they haven't heard about this problem before and asked if I could reset the box and try again. I also found that the region free codes do not work and I have several DVD's which are in different Regions that I can't play any more - WTF - (in Australia the ACCC has commissioned that Region Free should be allowed)! Now the other issue I found is that I also have BD-F5500 Blu-Ray player (BTW region free codes work fine for the BD-F5500)- When I originally connected the BD-F8500A/XY (I use Marantz 1504 AV Receiver connected to Samsung Series 8 ES8000M 3D LED TV HDMI/ARC port on TV and HDMI/ARC port on Marantz) while the BD-F5500 is connected I select the Anynet+ option from TV to Blu-Ray Recorder it then tries to connect via HDMI1/DVI when it should connect to HDMI2. I can however still access the BD-F5500 - now if I disconnect BD-F5500 and then power cycle TV/Marantz and BD-F8500 I now am able to select the BD Recorder and it is switched on the correct HDMI2 Channel. Now if I connect the BD-F5500 now the F5500 will try connection to HDMI1/DVI port. I own a Panasonic DMR-XW350 for several years now and having this connected to Marantz works fine, works fine even with the BD-F5500 connected so WTF??? I purchased to Samsung PVR thinking it would be less hassles and work seamlessly, but this at its current state is the wrong assumption - I think there is some Anynet+ problems with Samsung connected devices and in particularly having the BD-F8500 and BD-F5500 connected to the same AV Receiver that fully supports HDMI-CEC/ARC... I plan to try and replace the BD-F8500 with another one by returning it and if the same problem persists then I will return that and get my money back - not good enough Samsumg, I should have read user reviews/feedback first before even looking at anything!!!!
Not only Humax. Many Topfield models have an FTP Server (I use TRF7160) to transfer mpg files to a PC. These can be played back on your PC with "The KM Player" or (my preference) edited and encoded in an external program.However, if you want an integrated Blu Ray player, Topfield is not for you.
The Iplayer and 4OD etc are all goodand easy to use, although the volume starts very high on Iplayer.
Picture quality is very good,especially on the Blu-ray player.
That's about it on the plus side.
On the down side the main issue withthe Samsung is the awful user interface. I don't know if Samsung aretrying to be clever (and failing) or if it's just simply illconceived. Particular irritations include:
While watching a programme, or worsewhile engrossed in a film, a pop-up appears (covering about a quarterof the screen) to inform you when a scheduled recording is about tostart, and to ask if you want to switch to that channel to check ifthe schedule has changed. Apart from the annoyance of having to reachfor the remote to clear the screen, it's not clear what one issupposed to do with this 'information' as the wording is ambiguous. There is no way to turn this 'feature' off.
Most dialogue boxes are ambiguous andtake several readings to determine what they are trying to tell you.
Schedule recordings normally start aminute or so before the programme starts and end before it'sfinished. Adding time is possible but not a simple task andirritating to have to do every time you set a recording.
To record a programme you are currentlywatching is stupidly convoluted. I'm still not sure how it works,there seems to be no way of recording just the programme (once it'sstarted), it seems to work as a kind of 'time shift' function –either way it's irritating and unsatisfactory.
Programmes recorded 'live' (or timeshift, I'm not sure, see previous comments) are stored somewherecompletely different to 'schedule recordings'. We thought recordingweren't working before we stumbled upon them by chance. This locationseems to be the main hard drive 'viewer' and lists everything stored.It's ugly, cumbersome and clumsy and we have not yet been able towork out a way of deleting this content – you can delete from the'schedule recording' list but the 'file' remains on the hard drivelisted in this other location. Hopefully we can work it out beforethe hard drive is full!
To find a schedule recording is alsostupidly convoluted. It took us most of the first evening to findthese recordings; they are tucked away as though watching recordedprogrammes is a rarely used 'feature' – you actually have to pass alist of programmes set to record in the future before you get to thelist of those you actually might want to watch in the present! Ittakes a minimum of 10 button presses, mostly counter intuitive, tostart viewing a recording.
Programme information displayed in theschedule recordings list is for the programme just finished and notthe programme you've recorded.
Series link recording is completelyuseless. Sometimes you get the first episode and then no more.Sometimes you get every programme with the same name, including thesame episode on the plus one hour channels and repeats. Sortingthrough the surplus (or finding the one you want to watch) in theschedule manager is a pain, especially because of the wronginformation issue mentioned above.
The 'Smart' features are more of anannoyance than feature. For example; while setting a recording(another already button heavy process) a pop up appears suggestingother programmes that may be of interest to you. We've been using themachine for a a while now and every 'suggestion' has been completelyirrelevant – often listing numerous episodes of the same programme.Despite advice from Samsung support to the contrary, we can't find away to turn this 'feature' off.
We have had occasional lip sync issueswith recorded programmes and streaming.
We're not technical novices and havenever had trouble with the operation of new purchases. The Samsung UIis messy and often just silly...
Final example: there are frequentdialogue boxes to which you have to select “OK” when there is noother option and it's too late to do anything else anyway. Mostoperations are too button heavy as it is, a selection box for aninformation stage is pointless. It's not a huge problem, but on topof everything else it reminds you of how poorly thought out the UIis.
Thanks for taking the time to write your extensive and informative review. All the things you wrote about would bug the hell out of me after purchase so I'm so glad I read this before buying.
You have to wonder who designs the UI? All the money Samsung spent on R&D and then mass producing the item, but no commonsense in how to make it simple to use?
I too loathe this unit, region encoding is in force and i can find no way to remove it. The menu is cumbersome, the lipsync on fast forward sometimes causes you to have to stop and restart, voice action switches itself on..... and for our Samsung viewers yes i have the latest f/w etc
I would like to thank you for this review, it has put me off buying one. You can read why I dumped my Humax Foxsat HDR for similar issues with regards to series links (http://furbian.blogspot.co.uk/.... By what you describe this is even worse, I am aware this is Freeview and not Freesat, I've given up on Freesat and thought I'd switch.
Now I have to see how the Panasonic DMR-BWT735 is with users. I must take issues with the main review, why does it NOT describe these problems, my Humax Foxsat box had 5/5 star reviews too, they did not mention any of the issues I had. Then again maybe I should be grateful for being able to read these very constructive comments.
On a final note, I am thinking of giving up on 'Free' solution and going back to Sky+ HD, series links work, and the response times are good. No playing off USB drives etc.
Would you please care to explain how you delete a recording?
This unit does not connect to a Bridge Wifi Network, so useless to me. Also Series Link recording is very hit and miss, it's doesn't always record even when when it says it is recording, the recorded show disappears, who knows where? Avoid this unit.
I am starting to loathe this device but I am struggling to find anything else that has full UK catch up services and DNLA on the market. Does anyone else have an issue where they are recording one programme, start time shifting another and then have it dump them out when it gets to the end of the programme?
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