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Ohmz

4:22 PM on 30 April, 2009

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I'll be honest, Windows 7 looks really tempting. But I've switched to Ubuntu, and I love it.

I'll still have to run Windows for school, but Ubuntu does what I need for my personal life.

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Jay4d0

4:46 PM on 30 April, 2009

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nice!

just a quick question: is this going to be pushed mainly as a 64bit OS? obviously 32bit for older hardware

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Gordon394

4:57 PM on 30 April, 2009

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@Ohmz - that's fair. Windows 7 for me is a must have for XP or Vista owners. Ubuntu is a different animal altogether.

@Jay - I'd prefer it if it was, but it will be both marketed equally.

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Hallainzil

5:08 PM on 30 April, 2009

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Is it possible to upgrade from the RC to a full retail version without a reinstall?

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Chocoa

5:22 PM on 30 April, 2009

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Do I detect Microsoft changing for the better now? Perhaps the recent harse realities of the marketplace have modified thier 'invunerable to harm' attitude.

Anyway,looking forward to the trial here.

As you say Gordon, Ubuntu is different and very welcome, but for me, does not provide the full multimedia flexibility that I need (yet). MS has just been so dominant that software suppliers need time to adapt/adopt to Ubuntu.

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Chris

5:23 PM on 30 April, 2009

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Anyone know if there will be an upgrade path from the RC to the final release? Microsoft have hinted that they wouldn't provide for this and I'm not looking forward to re-installing all my software.

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Gordon394

5:26 PM on 30 April, 2009

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Update added on the upgrade question. Bad news I'm afraid folks.

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Chris

5:31 PM on 30 April, 2009

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So no RC upgrade path then. I can see how providing an upgrade path wouldn't make financial sense, but how can you expect users to 'make a truly informed buying decision' and then cut off their upgrade path once they decide to buy? Seems like a contradiction to me.

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sockatume

5:31 PM on 30 April, 2009

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It's not a "trial", it's a release of the program for testing. It was no more likely to have an upgrade path to retail than the beta was.

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HK

5:42 PM on 30 April, 2009

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I read last week that there's a way to upgrade from the betas to the RC by changing a value in a setup file. MS just by default want people to install from fresh so that they can test the install procedure, which makes perfect sense. I'd imagine there will be a similar procedure from the RC to RTM, but again it won't be very heavily advertised.

I've been good and resisted torrents all week, and now the MS servers are being so heavily bashed I can't even get into the MSDN downloads. So much for going the legal route!

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Chris

5:44 PM on 30 April, 2009

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@sockatume: Normally I'd agree, and an RC certainly shouldn't be considered a 'trial', but from what Mr. Curran says it sounds like Microsoft have commercial reasons for making the beta and RC so widespread.

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mjaffk

5:46 PM on 30 April, 2009

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In what way win 7 is better than win xp? aside from aero (which i don't like) and the said perfomance boost.

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WilliamSmith

5:47 PM on 30 April, 2009

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What's the file size for the RC? I'm stuck on 512k so I fear it's going to take days!!!

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Chris

5:54 PM on 30 April, 2009

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@mjaffk: I suggest you look at Windows 7's Wikipedia page for a full list of new features.

Also, if you're not keen on the Aero interface, Windows 7 and Vista both allow you to switch it off.

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FuricTrax

5:59 PM on 30 April, 2009

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Agree with the comment RE Ultimate customers getting a discount upgrade or the like. I've been thinking that for a while now!! While my main reason for going Ultimate was encryption, I don't think the price difference between HP and U are justified by the additional extra's you get.

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Brian ONeill

6:07 PM on 30 April, 2009

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You can upgrade from the BETA to the RC, see:

http://blogs.msdn.com/e7/archive/2009/04/07/delivering-a-quality-upgrade-experience.aspx

Here’s what you can do to bypass the check for pre-release upgrade IF YOU REALLY REALLY NEED TO:

1. Download the ISO as you did previously and burn the ISO to a DVD.

2. Copy the whole image to a storage location you wish to run the upgrade from (a bootable flash drive or a directory on any partition on the machine running the pre-release build).

3. Browse to the sources directory.

4. Open the file cversion.ini in a text editor like Notepad.

5. Modify the MinClient build number to a value lower than the down-level build. For example, change 7100 to 7000 (pictured below).

6. Save the file in place with the same name.

7. Run setup like you would normally from this modified copy of the image and the version check will be bypassed.

Or am i reading this wrong?

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smc8788

7:10 PM on 30 April, 2009

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I'm sorry, but what's wrong with a complete format and reinstall? Sure, it's a pain in the arse and takes a few hours to get everything customised the way you had it before, but when you're using a beta version of software (for free) you don't really have a right to complain, in the same way you wouldn't if it all went pear shaped and you lost all of your work. Microsoft has every right to do whatever the hell they like with their software until it is released and people actually start paying for it.

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basicasic

7:14 PM on 30 April, 2009

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Its a simple 'get 'em hooked then make 'em pay' scenario as far as I can see.

Meantime in Ubuntuland my upgrade to Jaunty went off without a single hitch. Awesome.

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HK

7:17 PM on 30 April, 2009

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@Brian. You're reading it right, that's the article I was referring to. I think people are concerned about upgrading from RC to RTM though, not BETA to RC. Let's hope they allow something similar though.

@William: MSDN has finally let me in, file size is 2,413.73 (MB) for 32-bit & 3,119.30 (MB) for 64. Looks like I'll get it in the morning.

@Furic: Ultimate is for business users, for them the price differential is worthwhile. I think it was bad marketing on MS's part that led people to believe getting Ultimate was going to give them something worthwhile. Promising games or whatever, it's not really what people who needed Ultimate required. So I agree Vista Ultimate buyers should get some discount, but at the same time they probably shouldn't have bought it in the first place.

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FrancescoMastellone

8:07 PM on 30 April, 2009

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Of course Microsoft has interest in having a long trial period. With other shareware programs, once you're done with the trial you can simply buy something else. But once you've migrated to W7 while using it for a whole year, what do you do? The answer's easy...

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lifethroughalens

8:32 PM on 30 April, 2009

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The answer's easy...

What? Hit the torrents for the crack? ;)

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Pbryanw

11:12 PM on 30 April, 2009

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Is this like Fermat's last theorem? Francesco was going to post the answer but the text box was too narrow to contain it?

Anyway, the answer's easy... get an Apple ;) Or, it could always be Ubuntu :?

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FrancescoMastellone

11:40 PM on 30 April, 2009

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What? Of course not! You upgrade to DOS =p

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Nick7even

12:08 AM on 1 May, 2009

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provide no upgrade path take away one of the major fun of "testing", every time fresh built just doesn't reflect the real life. not in business not at home, it's not like OEM recovery media, pop in disc, everything back to ready for use, it's reinstall everything. I would like to see how it broke my Beta7000 install in the past couple months

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AJ

12:11 PM on 1 May, 2009

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I have no idea why Linux users feel the need to provide their updates here, the article is simply about Windows 7 and as it’s a “years demo for free” it’s hard to bend that to bad news.

Quite simply put Windows users don’t give a hoot about Linux and the vast majority never will. In the meantime the Linux users feel the need to keep reminding us that their inferior product is free and that they managed to perform an upgrade without a hitch (obviously an unusual event).

Personally I’m running the Windows 7 beta and so far it’s been very good. However I’m looking forward to seeing how it responds to being fully loaded with application and virus checkers. Will it carry on smoothly or return to the days of not being able to use the PC for 2 or 3 minutes after login?

Roll on October…

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Tony Walker

12:43 PM on 1 May, 2009

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What's all this about the RC rebooting every two hours after MArch 1st 2010?

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Gordon394

4:47 PM on 1 May, 2009

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@Tony Walker - myth as far as I know.

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eric

8:48 PM on 5 May, 2009

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@Tony, @Gordon. Not a myth:

"The RC will expire June 1, 2010, and the bi-hourly shutdowns will begin on March 1, 2010."

It makes sense to force you to be reminded that the OS will stop working by June 1, 2010.

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Gordon394

10:32 PM on 5 May, 2009

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@Tony @eric - yes, correct. Good spot guys.

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