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Tony Walker

5:59 AM on 28 May, 2009

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More skimming! (Where companies - buses, etc - target that percentage of the market that they can reach with minimal outlay, leaving those outside the area with little or vastly more expensive services.

Despite being made redundant by them in March, I hope BT get a lot of traction with network and consumer end upgrades (read fibre optics) as they are going to be the only option for those of us whose exchanges all the LLU companies are avoiding coz they would have to spend more money than they think they would recoup from users.

This is where a Socialist government should be making legislation, forcing the companies involved (across all industries) to cross-subsidise (where some of the money they will make in say, urban areas, supports areas with low population density) their services allowing ALL people to make equal use (and cost saving) of their services.

I'm OLD Labour, not a Tory in disguise, in case you were wondering :-)

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rav

8:57 AM on 28 May, 2009

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Just wondering. Would speeds real world speeds in some of these low density population density areas still be quite decent due to the lower contention ratios.

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John McLean

11:11 AM on 28 May, 2009

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@Tony Walker - why should they cross-subsidise? This isn't the NHS, it's private industry, and they have the right to charge as they see fit. If that means offering the service exclusively in high density areas or at a higher price in lower density areas, so be it. I pay a massive premium to live in London, and part of the reason is access to great facilities. If someone chooses to live in Sticksville, Middle-of-nowhereshire, why should I subsidise the astronomically higher cost of providing them with phone and broadband?

If the government decided to roll out say a nationalised fibre-to-the-home network (hint hint - it's only a few billion quid for a network that will last decades; we've splashed way more than that up the wall on far less useful things, like bailing out banks and fighting unconstitutional wars), it might be justifiable for every line to cost its user the same amount, and in effect that is what we have with the tight regulation over BT's pricing, but for private networks, what's the justification?

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darkspark88

11:58 AM on 28 May, 2009

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The cost to sky of unbundling lines is not that high. They acquired the firm Easynet (UKonline) who have been unbundling exchanges for years now. The service is a lot better than that offered by bt. Lower contention (less people sharing connection) and actual unlimited downloading, where unlimited actually means the word in the dictionary despite the Fair Usage Policy that some companies adhere to much more strictly than others..

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SirStuie

12:23 PM on 28 May, 2009

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@ Tony Walker - Well said comrade commissar!

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Andrew

1:14 PM on 28 May, 2009

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I can't even begin to compare Sky and BT for broadband, BT Charge £25 for unlimited downloads, + ~£11 for phone line - that's £36 for unlimited internet.

I pay sky £10 for phone, £16.50 for basic TV (inc sky plus, which cost me no extra) and £10 for unlimited internet. So i pay £36.50 a month for the whole lot - with BT i'd be paying that much just for the phone rental and broadband (no TV!!).

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Frank

9:53 PM on 1 June, 2009

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Sorry for your particular situation Tony, I hope things improve/have improved for you.

I'm not suprised BT have difficulties, I just cancelled an order for a phone with 'em after three different delivery estimates in as many calls, One day at the start, 3-5 working days when tracking the placed order.

I was also obliged to cancel their phone services after I got the deal for Sky Max, free calls 24/7 (0800, 0845 etc chargeable - at the mo) 'unlimited' broadband 'up to' 8 - 16meg, will monitor this, for 15 quid and NO BT RENTAL ! fifteen quid ! that's £15 in shorthand and bank statement terminology, a whopping two pounds fifty pence more than the BT line rental, I really don't know how I shall survive.

When Sky make a success of their ambitions, again, doubtless the EU will compell them to sell off some of their assets so perhaps Setanta/ITV can poke their nose in and we will all be at liberty to buy an extra subscription and router for use on alternate days, if we have the right PC that year.

I really enjoyed watching the The FA Cup Final in standard def last Saturday.

Good luck to Sky in this endeavour, they seem to have the minerals.

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