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Robert Elliot

2:54 PM on 30 July, 2008

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"Apple isn't going to want to compromise iPhone sales by inserting something really cool like a sim card slot"

They could insert a microphone too, and you could make phone calls! How cool would that be...

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Pbryanw

5:42 PM on 30 July, 2008

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If they would lower the price of the 16GB iPod touch from £269 to under £200, I'd probably buy one. So, lower prices would be my main wish for the new iPods.

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GoldenGuy

6:09 PM on 30 July, 2008

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You mentioned mobile broadband Mr. Kelly. A family member of mine is stuck on Virgin Media with no wish to upgrade to their broadband service. Since they can't switch to a BT line without losing their TV package, that rules out ADSL. Is mobile broadband a viable alternative?

Furthermore, when I explained to them the recent BPI letter hassle, they certainly don't want a carrier who signed the deal and is gonna pass on their details. Now that's annoying right because I hear Vodafone has the best service, but didn't their affiliates sign the deal too? I mean, is there anyway they could avoid the wrath of the BPI with a mobile broadband service?

In any case, I'm thinking of taking up *be when I move soon. I'd never corner myself with Virgin's shoddy, expensive, Orwellian deal.

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ilovethemonkeyhead

6:13 PM on 30 July, 2008

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odd, no new classics? apple bowing out of the harddrive players too?

i just have hopes for improved audio quality - if the ipod touch can improve on it's (my opinion) average sound quality i might be interested. as it stands, though, i wouldn't buy a touch because you can touch the screen.

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Gordon394

6:50 PM on 30 July, 2008

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@GoldenGuy - I'm not sure what you're on about here. If you have Virgin cable broadband (arguably the fastest service in the country) why not just upgrade that? At worst your telephone line is still free so you can get an ADSL broadband connection from the likes of Be Unlimited very reasonably.

Re mobile broadband, it is potentially viable but the monthly download allowances are likely to be tricky for someone using it as their primary service and it is slower and more expensive. Have you even checked you get a fast (7.2Mbit/3.6Mbit 3G signal where you are?)

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Gordon394

6:51 PM on 30 July, 2008

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@ilovethemonkeyhead - we simply haven't heard anything about the iPod Classic line yet. I'm sure it's got a few more generations left in it yet before flash hits 128/256GB in players.

Lastly I agree on the touch, but it's also only as good as the high quality bitrate audio you send it. If you're listening to 128Kbps rubbish on Apple's pathetic earphones like most people that's where the fault lies.

No idea what you mean about "because you can touch the screen" - that's the best facet of the player (the screen switches off when you don't want to touch it and put it in a pocket!)

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GoldenGuy

10:08 PM on 30 July, 2008

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Cheers Gordon.

Uh, like I said I don't use Virgin myself. I'm in a completely different part of the country from where they are. But I've checked their 3G coverage in their area and it's certainly covered perfectly well by Vodafone and O2, etc.

But about the phone line thing. Their TV and phone is Virgin. When the ADSL ISPs state that you require a BT phone line I read this to mean you need to be subscribed to BT. Is that not the case? Is it just referring to having the physical phone line? Do *be really have no problem with connecting Virgin Phone customers? If so, that's great and they should go with them.

And the reason they don't want Virgin is because of the download monitoring, customer warning letters and customer details being passed on. That and the capping times. But they DO still want to want to keep their TV and phone package.

Thanks again.

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Gordon394

12:51 AM on 31 July, 2008

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Ah gotcha - lost the different parts of the country bit somehow (busy day!). I believe it does mean you will need a BT line actually but I would double check with the ISPs that appeal (O2/Be seem most friendly to your needs at present).

Personally I prefer the Sky TV/phone package (which uses a BT line) than Virgin's combo (never could get comfortable with that awful V+ remote!) but with the likes of iPlayer hitting it now I can see the attraction.

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Jay4d0

11:30 AM on 31 July, 2008

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Wouldn't GPS require some form of data transfer to get the maps and if you are out of range of a wifi hotspot there would be no way of getting this data and I would think that people who bought the iPod Touch instead of the iPhone would be unwilling to pay monthly for data.

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Gordon394

2:28 PM on 31 July, 2008

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nope, it's a combination of the GPS chip and WiFi hotspot mapping. Cellular tower triangulation would not be on the menu but those two alone are more than fully fledged GPS devices have to go on. No sim card slot or monthly data packages would be required.

Personally I think a lot of customers would love to see mobile broadband on a touch. For £7.50pm many deals give 1GB of monthly data allowance and suddenly Email, web browsing and Google Maps are available on the move - a huge bonus.

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Gordon394

2:31 PM on 31 July, 2008

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Apologies Jay, second look - I see what you mean. Indeed there are no onboard maps so yep - unless Apple were to offer them as a premium download on iTunes (a good idea in my opinion as routes could be checking in areas without signal) then you would need a sim card slot and monthly data package (which I still think is a good idea anyway!).

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Jay4d0

5:29 PM on 31 July, 2008

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no problem, yeah i would be very interested in offline maps if they were ever avaliable they would also be useful to the iPhone owner if they brought something new to the table, (like OS maps for instance) or in a poor 3G area.

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Tony Walker

11:19 PM on 31 July, 2008

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@ilovethemonkeyhead

I agree with Gordon. The Touch has very good sound if you use good bitrates. I encode at 320kbps and use very high end in-ear phones (Triple-Fi 10's) with my touch and it's excellent. BTW audio quality seemed to be improved in later 1.xx firmware revisions so upgrade your firmware to a 1.xx (my touch is on 1.13).

I would've suggested trying a 2.x firmware, however, if the audio quality of that is the same as my iPhone 3G then I would wait initially, as it needs tweaking. I hope Apple address this with the reportedly upcoming 2.1 firmware.

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Tony Walker

11:40 PM on 31 July, 2008

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Those long of memory might remember the stories of two smaller iPhone/Touch like screens on their way to Apple products.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a slightly smaller form factor Touch and a nano touch - basically, take a standard Touch and put it through a really, really, hot wash.

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Gordon394

12:52 AM on 1 August, 2008

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Could be Tony, Apple can clearly make units cheap enough...!

http://www.trustedreviews.com/apple/news/2008/06/18/iPhone-3G-Costs-100-To-Make/p1

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