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OliverLevett

7:26 PM on 3 July, 2008

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Whilst it's kinda large, compare the size to that of the Kaiser or Wizard, and it's smaller! Also, it's smaller than my Prophet which has never been considered a large device!

Also, with comparison to the iPhone (even the 3G version) the Diamond wins on most, if not all features - Twice as many pixels, higher resolution camera (and a forward facing one to boot - which leaves this for the hardcore business user who need the keyboard as well.

It also works out as less hassle, without the need to jailbreak and risk of bricking it, combined with the better OS and feature set, I think this is far better than the iPhone!

But, why do I have to wait so long for it! :(

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Gordon394

10:22 AM on 4 July, 2008

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The Prophet was always considered a large device Oliver!

Also Windows Mobile is a better OS? I think you've been at mother's gin again ;)

Much as I agree there are flaws to the iPhone and - one year later - even more to the iPhone 3G - I think what you say suggests you haven't used one before. G

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Wilfried

1:24 PM on 4 July, 2008

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It does sound pretty tasty and complete although it would have been nice to have a far more powerful camera, 5 Megapixels for instance although 3.2 is good too but more is always better.

Which one should I choose then? Sony Ericsson Xperia, HTC Touch Diamond or this new baby? They're all similar in features (beside from the keyboard bit) and in price too, what does the populace reckon?

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OliverLevett

2:19 PM on 4 July, 2008

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From TRs own review of the M600, "The SPV M600, on the other hand, is the one of the smallest Pocket PC format connected handhelds, so that physically anyway, it might be ideal for doubling up as both a handheld computer and a mobile phone." (from here: http://www.trustedreviews.com/mobile-devices/review/2006/04/12/Orange-SPV-M600/p1)

I have used an iPhone. I couldn't change the ringtone, and it crashed as soon as I got a call... That's a great OS isn't it!

With WM, I can install a great range of programs, and can even develop my own, without having to pay Apple anything and get the apps signed, I can unlock it without Apple trying to brick it! Also, in my experience, WM seems snappier and has far more features than the iPhone. Plus, I hate Apples absurd marketing that seems to imply that the iPhone is the only device that can access the internet.

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OliverLevett

2:25 PM on 4 July, 2008

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If you want a keyboard on a device, the Raphael wins. It's keyboard is very similar to the Kaiser/Universal, so has good feedback etc, whilst the X1s keyboard is bad. It's keys are recessed, and the feedback is bad. Also, the X1s screen, although gorgeous, is incompatible with a great many apps designed for the aspect ratio of QVGA/VGA apps.

Also, the "Panels" interface on the X1 is very superficial, whereas Manilla (in both the Diamond and Raphael) is a complete UI.

The Diamond is by far the cheapest (by £100 or so) and I think the X1 (when it's released) will be the most expensive.

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Gordon394

1:25 AM on 5 July, 2008

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You're referencing a TWO YEAR OLD REVIEW Oliver! You might as well be quoting Shakespeare about the future of aeronautic industry...

To address your points: App Store will bring 1,000s of programmes for free and unlocked phones only crash because Apple constantly updates the OS with new features. How often does that happen on WM? As for snappier - you clearly haven't used the Touch Diamond or read our review... http://www.trustedreviews.com/mobile-devices/review/2008/06/25/HTC-Touch-Diamond/p1

I'm glad your two minute play with the iPhone taught you everything you need to know. I'm also happy you like the Touch Pro, if it can fix all the flaws we identified with the Touch Diamond (and there are many) it is likely to be an excellent handset. Remember however the Pro is simply a Diamond with a bolted on keyboard and try not to be so blinkered.

If you make all your purchasing decisions based on suppositions you're likely to end up extremely disappointed. That is, after all, why we're here!

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OliverLevett

9:10 AM on 5 July, 2008

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Maybe it's an old review, but it goes against this: "The Prophet was always considered a large device Oliver!"

On the snappier front, try virtually any other ROM, or even just turn of TF3D, and the OS itself is faster. App Store may bring 1000s of programs, but the SDK costs money where you can get IDEs and the .NET CF for free! And, you don't have to run every single one of your apps through Apple to be able to use them.

I've spent more than "two minutes" playing with the iPhone, and the fact that it crashed a lot is the most memorable part of my playing.

Whilst the Raphael may itself not solve all the problems, I am confident that with a well cooked ROM, and a few home grown tweaks, it will far surpass the Diamond. And, one of the main attractions of it for me is the excellent keyboard (which is far faster to type on than the "revolutionary" yet slow iPhone attempt at a SIP.

The Raphael also has more RAM/ROM, and with Manilla stealing a large part of the Diamonds RAM, this will probably make a large impact on the speed.

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dave4

4:02 PM on 6 July, 2008

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The iphone and WM devices cannot really be compared, if you're thinking of doing anything remotely office/enterprise related on your device regularly the WM OS thrashes the Iphone OS before you include add on software and the HTC TF3D. If you just want a cool looking phone you get an iphone, seriously I can't think of any other reason to get one unless you're an apple fan boy as it's features are not that revolutionary.

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OliverLevett

2:38 PM on 7 July, 2008

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The only thing in the iPhone which is even vaguely revolutionary is the multitouch screen, and yet that is under utilised.

Whilst the Diamond/Raphael/Titanium(yet to be announced) and the X1, are hardly revolutionary, they at least use cutting edge technology. (Namely the full speed HSDPA, fast processors rather than the underclocked Samsung processor in the original iPhone, VGA screens - and in the case of the X1, WVGA) And, they're not marketed with such blatant lies as "Revolutionary".

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Sivart

7:11 PM on 14 July, 2008

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Realise I am late for this debate so if everybody has already gone home I am not going to upset anybody - for a change!

The beauty, however, of being late is I have read the review by Jonathan Bray of the new Nokia E71 which gets straight 10's. So my point is who says this is a battle for our cash between the latest iphone (with 3g believe it or not!) or the latest WM HTC phone.

In terms of overall quality, up to date functionality & battery life etc... the Nokia & their Symbian OS knock those two into a tin hat.

I know that cos all our mates use a Nokia we are keen to show off the latest something or other but why not ask yourself they they have a Nokia.

Upgrading from my HTC TYTN II in September & think I might give that E71 a go as I don't think I can handle a super fast 3g iphone when I have only been used to HSDPA!

Glad to get that off my chest & glad, probably, that nobody is out there anymore anyway!

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OliverLevett

3:50 PM on 8 August, 2008

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Jokes on you :p

To me, the advantage of the touch screen over non-touch screen devices is too great to lose.

Add to that the fact that I don't think the S60 devices have anywhere near the kind of mod-ability I so love about WM, and the fact that the S60 UI is infuriating if you're used to WM, and the Nokia offerings become less popular.

Also, since things like the Touch Pro will be on all the major operators, whereas the E71 may not be, the Touch Pro becomes attractive price wise as well.

Also, I'm fairly sure the TyTN II had HSDPA (and, I think higher speed than the iPhones)!

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Iain4

12:21 PM on 22 August, 2008

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I have some comments I'd like to share. Let me start with the iPhone. I am a long standing Mac user and would not be parted with my Mac. That said the iPhone just doesn't cut it. On the plus side it is in my opinion the VERY best touch interface and works smoothly and intuitively and its design is as always second to none.

That said everything is locked! You can't edit or save attachments! You can't even exchange files between your iPhone and your Mac unless you pay to use mobile me - incidentally I have an account and it isn't delivering on its promises at present. You can't send business cards via blue tooth or receive them. The GPS is slow and clumsy. It doesn't support all blue tooth devices. The camera has no flash or auto focus and the picture quality is poor. Lastly you can only add applications via iTunes. It is with a pain in my heart that I have to admit the iPhone does not live up to its hype. As a personal phone it works well but for a business user such as me it simply is unworkable.

As I said I have used both the HTC Diamond and the iPhone 3G. And in conclusion would say that the HTC is not as bad as some of the reviews make out and the iPhone is not worthy of the hype and attention it has created. As for me I have just purchased a HTC Touch Pro and although it has its issues what it does it does well. Internet and the opera browser are great and the interface is not so slow as to annoy me – a good phone but if Apple got its act together I’d rather have an iPhone.

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