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ilovethemonkeyhead

8:02 AM on 11 September, 2008

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stylus included - that rules out captive touch, then.

when i read the topic title i was expecting a 1280 by 720 resolution screen... oh well, a guy can dream.

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Ironduke

8:42 AM on 11 September, 2008

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not htc phone will beat the iphone while windows mobile is so poor

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ChaosDefinesOrder

8:53 AM on 11 September, 2008

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now THIS is what the iPhone should be - if you want to market a phone-cum-PMP then make the resolution capable of playing DVDs in their native resolution!

Added benifit of using WinMo (shock horror!) is that you can slap TCPMP on this and play back anything you chuck at it including .vob files! No conversion or downsizing required!

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Ed

9:14 AM on 11 September, 2008

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It won't truly be an iPhone contender unless it uses the same hard-surface touchscreen. While the software of the iPhone is obviously the main benefit, the sensitivity and accuracy of the touch screen is also hugely important.

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ChaosDefinesOrder

9:42 AM on 11 September, 2008

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you can hardly call the touchscreen on an iPhone accurate - you use fingers to control it afterall! ~1cm^3 area of fingertip compared to ~1mm^3 of stylus?

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Ed

10:01 AM on 11 September, 2008

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Yes, I can and I have, because I'm right.

Also, if you're going to try and prove me wrong with such a crass argument, at least get your maths right - area is measured in the square, not the cube.

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Cub

12:01 PM on 11 September, 2008

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He can actually, and not just because he's already said it (which is proof in itself, surely), but, you know, because it's true - as you would have no doubt known had you actually used an iPhone before to find these facts out for yourself.

I have a number of chubby fingered friends whose fingers, when pressed against a glass surface, have a greater surface area than that of a square cm, and they have have no trouble navigating the the iPhone with the greatest of ease! Even typing is a delight compared to the teeny tiny keyboards of yester-year...

It'll be interesting to see the battery life of this device.

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Luan Bach

12:30 PM on 11 September, 2008

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It totally depends on the software interface, you obviously cannot put small icons up on an iPhone screen. Having a too accurate UI is a problem on the iphone, you have to allow a larger hit area. We are having to redo our UI for the iPhone as testers complained that they can't see the icons/touch target because their fingers blocked the view.

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BigBadDave

3:14 PM on 11 September, 2008

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@Chaos: On a screen that size you simply don't need to match DVD resolution. And, iirc, US DVDs are 720x480 res, and UK DVDs are 720x576. The iPhone's 640x480 screen res is more than enough imo.

this may all be irrelevant, however, given the HTC's serious storage limitations.

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ChaosDefinesOrder

4:45 PM on 11 September, 2008

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iPhone screen is 320×480 so quite a reasonable amount of screen reduction. My point was more of the ease of viewing videos, because with TCPMP employed, you don't have to convert anything, so any video files from any source (except HD content, ironically given the handset title) will play at their native resolution with no scaling issues.

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Ironduke

8:01 PM on 11 September, 2008

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and that makes it an iphone beater?

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Katier

12:48 PM on 12 September, 2008

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@ironduke

Even the touch diamond and omnia are for the most part iphone beaters. The iphone has a nice, eye candy and well designed interface. But under the hood it is missing a LOT of features. Just three that spring to mind are lacking are a terrible camera, lack of 'office type' programs (I've even written an article on my SPV M3100 Orange) and lack of cut and paste.

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Gordon394

1:54 PM on 12 September, 2008

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Everyone seems to be forgetting than the both the Touch HD's 480 x 800 pixel and iPhone's 320 x 480 pixel displays have more dense pixel-to-screen-size ratios than ANY high definition TV. In that sense they are already way above HD sharpness.

The iPhone can play up to VGA quality video without re-ripping in any case, a fact that seems to be often overlooked.

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OliverLevett

9:53 PM on 12 September, 2008

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Has no one thought of comparing this with the X1? This seems to be an X1 with TF3D instead of Panels, and no hardware keyboard. My guess is HTC have a contract with Sony stopping them releasing any direct competition with the X1.

At least HTC have realised 3.2MP isn't enough. (pity Apple are only using 1 year old technology isn't it?)

Since the Blackstone has the same chipset as the Diamond/Raphael, I think it's likely it'll have video out, and many of the other nice features of the Diamond/Raphael. It's also fairly safe to assume it'll have proper HSDPA, an FM radio and the tilt sensor.

The Blackstone and Diamond probably won't compete against each other directly, as the Blackstone is much larger, and is direct competition for the iPhone, whereas the Diamond was an update to the Elf/Elfin format.

Also, you can use a stylus on a capacitive screen, it's just more complicated.

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OliverLevett

9:56 PM on 12 September, 2008

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@Gordon: Most of the recent devices have a higher pixel density than most HDTVs! (The Raphael/Diamond have twice as many pixels as the iPhone, and a much smaller screen)

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Tony Walker

6:29 PM on 15 September, 2008

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@Katier

IIRC the SPV M3100 was the Tytn. I had the T-Mobile version. The camera on that was no better than the iPhone 3G's (which I now have) camera.

The size of screen (and casmera) is irrelevent if the phone is a dog. Take the Toshiba G900 (which I tried).

Have a look in the iPhone forum over at Macrumors if you want to see some great shots (including one of mine) taken with the iPhone's camera.

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