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lifethroughalens

1:10 AM on 30 April, 2009

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Any chance someone could put that statement into English for me please?

So...if i'm at home in the UK using wifi with Vopium to call Australia - what happens when I walk out of wifi range?

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Jay4d0

3:38 AM on 30 April, 2009

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I think it means that it uses a phonecall, like the mobile version of skype, so would use up your free minutes - which is worth it if your calling abroad

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Xamph

10:09 AM on 30 April, 2009

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I *think* it means that Vopium digitises the conversation, but instead of sending it as (easily blockable by network operators) VOIP traffic, it tunnels the traffic inside standard ICMP PING packets (an old trick, and itself easily blockable.) So it uses your 3G or GPRS/EDGE *DATA* connection, not your voice minutes.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICMP_tunnel

At least I *think* that's what Vopium are saying. It sounds like a marketing person made that statement.

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bigman

11:14 AM on 30 April, 2009

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It's no different to the existing international calling card market using a local number as an intermediary.

The only benefit to the user is if the recipient is on VOIP, otherwise additional charges will be levied on top of the local minutes out of bundle.

No big development and not something I imagine the operators will be too fussed about once they realise this is what is happening as the customer will still need to take out a voice contract with them. Not the same threat as no voice contract and making voice calls over an all you can eat data tariff.

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lifethroughalens

11:53 AM on 30 April, 2009

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@bigman - I agree. Your just using a data connection to connect to their local server then the rest of the time it's identical to suppliers like 'superline'.

I'm just a tad confused on the usability front. Fring, is a much more user friendly & extensive product IMO and works well. I don't see why anyone would want to use this over Fring?

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Gordon394

12:30 PM on 30 April, 2009

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@all - PAYG iPhone...

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lifethroughalens

1:01 PM on 30 April, 2009

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Ahh, and that clears everything up ;) Hold-on...

So jail broken iPhone PAYG...and? You get cheap calls via your data allowance (which you've already had to shell out for on whatever network you're on or pay per MB).

And free calls from Vopium to Vopium - which is rubbish because there is no way of checking if anyone is on-line at the time of the call. So how is this any better than Skype / Skype out and Fring? I must be missing something here... :)

And as I asked at the top, can you roam in and out of Wifi / 3G connection seamlessly?

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Gordon394

1:44 PM on 30 April, 2009

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@lifethroughalens - not really, no. PAYG iPhones come with 12 months free unlimited data allowance.

@all - I'll check with Vopium for further explanation

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Xamph

1:48 PM on 30 April, 2009

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@lifethroughalens: "And as I asked at the top, can you roam in and out of Wifi / 3G connection seamlessly? "

Can you do this using a web browser? No? Well there's your answer, I'm afraid.

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Hugo

1:53 PM on 30 April, 2009

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Xamph - it's possible to roam between Wi-Fi and cellular data. T-Mobile in the US offers just such a service, VoIP in the home and 'normal' phone calls elsewhere with seemless switching. I'm sure there's other, similar, services elsewhere.

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lifethroughalens

1:56 PM on 30 April, 2009

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@xamph - well, you can with Fring :)

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lifethroughalens

2:02 PM on 30 April, 2009

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@ Gordon- Cheers for looking in to this one. If you've already shelled out £350-£400 for a PAYG 3G iPhone, I hardly think that the data allowance can be considered 'free'!

Most people with or without iPhones, who would want to use any benefit of this software will most likely be on contracts with data packages...or as you say, included in the iPhone's pricing structure. I just hope that they don't block this service before I get to try it out.

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Gordon394

2:22 PM on 30 April, 2009

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@lifethroughalens - I'd say with devices like the N96 costing circa £600 at launch sim free it's not a bad deal tbh. Shall hopefully hear more soon.

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RameshKumar

6:40 PM on 30 April, 2009

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If you are using Nokia smart phones like the N series or the E series, you can find Vopium directly under the download! button on the main menu. I think they are the only mobile voip service available from the Nokia. It works very well.

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Xamph

8:08 PM on 30 April, 2009

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Well ya learn sumthin new everyday! My apogolies. So Fring seamlessly switches between G3 and WiFi as you wander in and out of range of WiFi? V. Cool, didn't know that.

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lifethroughalens

8:11 PM on 30 April, 2009

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@ Gordon - Fair point!

@ Ramesh Kumar - Yeah, it seems to work well, but you can not tell who's online or not on the Vopium network which is a bit frustrating and you can't incorporate skype contacts into Vopium either. Also 02 or Skype has just started blocking my skype out calls via fring on the 5800 today...Aghhh :(

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