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Steve Jobs Disses Google and RIM as Apple Profits Rise


Steve Jobs Disses Google and RIM as Apple Profits Rise

Steve Jobs put in a rare appearance at Apple’s quarterly earnings call last night and used the occasion to make his views on Google and RIM quite clear.

Bolstered by the fact that Apple had achieved record profits of $20.3billion for the fiscal fourth quarter, and a cool $4.3 billion on net profit, Steve was clearly in no mood to mince his words.

Firstly he dismissed RIM as simply not being able to catch the iPhone, with Apple’s 14.1 million sales outdoing the 12.1 million Blackberrys.

“We've now passed RIM, and I don't seem them catching up with us in the foreseeable future…. I think it's going to be a challenge for them to create a competitive platform and to convince developers to create apps for yet a third software platform after iOS and Android,” he said.

Next he poured scorn on Google’s belief that its open platform is better than the Apple’s closed system.

"Android is very fragmented. Many Android OEMs, including the two largest, HTC and Motorola install proprietary user interfaces to differentiate themselves from the commodity Android experience. The users will have to figure it all out. Compare this with iPhone, where every handset works the same."

Finally, he dismissed the rash of 7in tablets coming to market as too small to make for user experience, pointing out that a 7in in screen isn’t 70 per cent the size of a 10in iPad, but actually only offer’s 45 per cent of the screen real estate. He also points out that making tablets pocketable is the wrong way to go, as every tablet user will also has a smartphone.

To be honest most of what he said isn’t that revelatory in terms of Apple’s view of things, it’s more the fact that Steve feels comfortable enough to go after his competitors so directly. Then again, if your company is sitting on a $50 billion cash pile and you’ve just added to it with another $4.3 billion in one quarter, you’re going to feel more than a little confident in yourself.

Via: The Guardian


October 19, 2010, 2:10 pm

At least Bill Gates does good and helps the less fortunate parts of the world with the billions he makes. Steve jobs just looks like the devil.


October 19, 2010, 2:53 pm

heh... numbers are not showing whole picture. Like in music industry, if you make more money that doesn't mean you are better in any other way expect "selling your music". And that is where Apple has no match. There is nothing wrong about it, but it always sound disrespecting when you hear some MTV star acting like some musician genie. In technical terms there is nothing special about any apple product. You can always find more features for less amount of money.

Ala Miah

October 19, 2010, 2:57 pm

His right about the Tablet comments, it's no point making the tablet a portable device around 7inch because people already have a smart phone. It's about making it more like laptop and making that experience better.


October 19, 2010, 3:06 pm

Love or hate Jobs the one things you can't argue with is that he's been wildly successful over the last decade. So why does he still feel the need to go after his competitors in this way? Surely the results speak for themselves.


October 19, 2010, 3:31 pm

All that cash and he still won't but some decent clothes.


October 19, 2010, 3:56 pm

I don't think he's going after anyone, just giving his view. Compare that to Balmer who dis's everyone else at every opportunity. I remember when he was asked about the iPhone, he actually laughed in the face of the interviewer and said who will buy a $2000 phone? Our phones are better. That worked out well Mr B.

As usual Mr J has some valid points, as seen from his perspective of course.


October 19, 2010, 4:03 pm

@gnodeb; Nothing technically special about *any* Apple products? I think you'll find there is. Love them or hate them, they do actually have a passion about the technology they use, they have their own R&D labs that build better batteries or the new iPhone 4 display.

I'm not saying the iPhone 4 is a better all round device than anything else, just that what goes into the display is rather special, likewise the work they've done getting better battery life for their laptops.

Apple can be a pain in the backside, locked down, do as I say type of company, but to say that none of there products have anything special technically, is a bit of a 'I hate Apple in-spite of the truth' outlook.

And don't forget, features aren't everything. Have you learn't nothing from the way other smartphone manufacturers tried to replicate the iPhone in the early days with software that only a rocket scientist could understand? Fully featured? Yes. User friendly? Not a chance.

You are right that all that money doesn't necessarily mean that they are the best, but you should really do some research before you make sweeping statements, if you care about being correct, of course.

Greg Shewan

October 19, 2010, 4:12 pm

@JohnH LOL!

This guy really has a RDF, but no doubt Apple are swimming in money at the moment and he should be proud... but not arrogant. I read and listened to an article on cultofmac about his ethos, quite interesting except it proves that he is in fact an OCD lunatic ;)

Greg Shewan

October 19, 2010, 4:20 pm


Can you Mac fans even spec a blu-ray drive yet on your new machines? As far as I know, that still hasn't happened? Probably because it wont be a slot loading drive and hence Job's will dismiss it based purely on aesthetics, don't got me wrong I love the feel and design that Apple have achieved over the last decade (I am myself an interior designer), but its always form over function.

That is a huge concern, and one of the reasons I won't go get a Mac or a iPhone... it's a beautiful piece of kit... but you always feel like you are one step behind.


October 19, 2010, 4:53 pm

Well as ever I don't like his attitude, but then imagine them a football team, then I guess you can allow them some gloating over the competition. So well done Apple. They are like the Manchester United of Computing.

I feel his comments about 7" tablets are interesting. Kill all those 7" iPad rumours dead. Shame I think it's a good size and choice is good. Amusing for a company that's logo is "Think Different" to be so against choice. All Apple users have the same experience, sure it works but where's my difference Steve? I don't think Android is confusing, it just needed HTC/Motorola/etc to put their own layer on it before because it wasn't quite mature enough until 2.x. Now that Android has reached that point consummers know they get a good base and they can choose the finish (or in Google speak, choose the flavour of frozen yoghurt they want together with the topping).

I won't bash Apple, they have created some great products in the last few years and deserve their success. I'm just not convinced they can retain their position at the top unless they slacken their closed world view. They have taken RIM and Steve's probably right that RIM cannot overturn that. But Google has over-taken Apple in a shorter time Apple took RIM. And now Microsoft is slowly waking up again. I reckon Apple have another year on top, then they'll loose mindshare & marketshare to Google and possibly MS. Once that happens even RIM could catch up again. Like the browser wars this is a race that will never end and new players can take the lead from out of nowhere.


October 19, 2010, 5:01 pm

@Greg Shewan: Can you Mac fans even spec a blu-ray drive yet on your new machines?

You can use BlueRay drives for Mac, you don't have to buy everything from Apple.


October 19, 2010, 5:31 pm

@Greg Shewan; See, there's the problem, I defend Apple and all of a sudden I become a 'Mac fan'. I'm not a Mac fan, I'm a technology fan, but I also am a fan of intuitive operating systems and Apple excel at that.

You're right about the lack of blue ray drive, Apple are a pain in the backside, as I've already said. However, you are confusing 'latest technology' with things that you and I can tangibly touch, and use. I'm not just talking about whether Apple have the latest drive, or the fastest processor, it's more fundamental than that.

As for not owning an iPhone as you'll feel one step behind, do you want to go and read practically every review of the iPhone and the rest of the smart phones and see what the reviews say?

Every new phone that has been released has the magazine headline, 'the iPhone killer', then they do that the next month with the next new phone when they've realised, actually the iPhone is still the best all round phone. Actually, as of now, I don't think that's true, but for a long time, the iPhone was the phone to beat and in some respects it still is.

'Form over function' - That's just not true either. Yes, Apple have much fewer hardware options and you can put together a PC of your own choosing for less money. But, that doesn't mean it's form over function. I use a Mac and I use a Windows 7 PC. I like Windows 7, I really do. But I also like OS X and for me it feels like I can get more done without the OS getting in my way.

I have an iPhone 3GS, it's the only one I've had and it's superb. When I upgrade, I will look at all phones that I might want, including the iPhone 5 (Or whatever it'll be), at the moment, I am thinking that Android is shaping up nicely and it might just be that this 'Mac fan' sells his iPhone and gets an Android handset!

Like I said before, when you talk about technology, it isn't just about features that the end user sees. The R&D work that goes on before the actual computer is built up is just as important and plays a huge part of what makes Apple, Apple. It doesn't make them the best, it doesn't make them dignified (just see Jobs for that!), but it does make them good at what they do and that includes using the latest and greatest technology, even if you can't see it!


October 19, 2010, 5:49 pm

@jacko; First time I heard that Mac is much better then PC was when they had only one button on mouse, no support for shortcuts on OS level :). First time I heard for iPhone they didn't have half of features Win and Symbian had at that time. Music player was never known for sound quality. All that time they are selling great, just like Mariah Carey selling great (much better then Lisa Gerrard). What I'm telling is that their selling capabilities are the real phenom here, not product itself.


October 19, 2010, 6:13 pm

Everyone who buys a tablet will definitely also have a smartphone? Really? So there won't be anyone who doesn't want to spend a huge amount of money on two gadgets that do much the same job? There won't be anyone who is happy carrying a dumbphone but would like a larger (but still portable) device for media and internet? It seems incredibly small-minded to claim there is no market for different form factors, especially when it is usually the Apple-skeptics who are accused of only seeing things from their own "geeky" perspective.

Of course, what it really means is "We are not making one, therefore you have no need for one. There can be no choice except that chosen by us. Now: KNEEL BEFORE JOBS!" :P


October 19, 2010, 7:19 pm

@ Greg Shewan: Why wouldn't it be a slot loading drive..? that Zotec ZBox PC Media/Blu-Ray Player TR reviewed lasst week is a slot loader...



October 19, 2010, 9:08 pm

Totally irrelevant to the article, but since it's being discussed; about Apple being behind in hardware. It's true, but they do it for financial gain. Whenver there's a new chip (cpu, gpu, whatever) most PC manufacturers instally put out a refresh with the latest and greatest. Sometimes they'll have two or three iterations a year. Some like ASUS end up having so many similar models with different specs people end up creating spreadsheets in an attempt to see what's going on.

Apple are different, they wait and have a refresh every year or so. This makes it easier for them, and allows them to have a big show with 'magical improvements' each time they bring something out. It gives their upgrades the glitz every other PC manufacturer lacks. It might be annoying and it might allow people to level a complaint against their hardware specs, but it gives them marketing power & blog inches which in this modern day and age is more important than the actual hardware underneath.

Jim Fulton

October 19, 2010, 11:44 pm

Further to HK's comment, I understand there is an Apple event (refresh) on Tuesday of this week, focusing on Macs.

Greg Shewan

October 19, 2010, 11:55 pm

@Many: Are you talking about a peripheral blu-ray drive? I am talking about an integrated option. I know its not a deal breaker, but a prime example was how long it took for the iMacs to switch to iCore 3,5,7 etc processors... a good few months after they were widely available (likely cause of their 1 product refresh a year policy to wow audiences).

As far as the iPhone is concerned, i didn't say once it was a bad phone or that it was long in the tooth but it has consistently been behind in the hardware department, save for its latest incarnation, and there are some design flaws (like the antenna arrangement and the use of glass on the rear panel.. IMO). This is a case of form over function, if not then what constitutes the 'form over function' design ethos? Some more incite into this, is that Apple actually 'let go' (still a grey area)the chief engineer on the iPhone project (this site reported this.)

I don't hate Apple, I think they are an amazing company and I respect their grit, design language and sometimes even how stubborn they can be ;). Being able to turn around a sinking ship in the 90's to where they are today is nothing short of a miracle, but I do not like Jobs... and I don't like their business ethos (the inclusion of other phones into their signal strength comparison presentation was an abysmal low blow).

So give me a break, I'm not blowing smoke out my a*#e... its just my opinion.

@jacko. I am sorry for the 'Macfan' branding... I have just noticed that a few of the readers are predominately commenting on the Apple articles, like yourself and HK. It was a bit of a sweeping statement, apologies.

Greg Shewan

October 20, 2010, 12:00 am

@MrGodfrey: 'Of course, what it really means is "We are not making one, therefore you have no need for one. There can be no choice except that chosen by us. Now: KNEEL BEFORE JOBS!" :P'

Couldn't have put it better myself ;)


October 20, 2010, 1:36 am

Steve Jobs makes the comments he does as Jack pointed out very eloquently the other day - they're for the shareholders. Apple is pressured to do more and more, and risk diluting their brand and their core strength. Trying to put your rivals further behind you is just another way of growing.

Apple also are not afraid of u turns, so whilst there may not be a 7" iPad in 2010, a 7.9" one would be wholly possible in 2011, providing it brought something wholly 'new' and marketable with it, like a memory card reader.


October 20, 2010, 1:51 am

@gnodeb; I didn't say anywhere that Mac was much better than PC, so obviously you're holding whatever resentment you have for Apple / Mac from a long time ago. let it go, you'll feel so much better.

I used to dislike Mac's, we used them in college and I didn't like them. I didn't care much for Windows either (3.11 at the time), but OS X changed the Mac's game like Win95 changed the game for MS.

And like I said, it's not just about how many features you can cram in, it's about how they are implemented, which Apple seem to be doing better than others.

I switched to a Mac about two years ago when I got burned by Vista and decided Linux just wasn't for me. So, I made the switch and have loved it ever since. It didn't stop me buying a Win 7 netbook that I also enjoy using.

@HK It's not just about the bare components, it's the research that goes on behind the scenes that make Apple different. Apple do have a yearly refresh, rather than all this crazy breakneck speed in the PC world and that's great if that's what you want.


October 20, 2010, 3:06 am

@jacko - You might think that it's not all about the features, and you have every right to do so. But 'gnodeb' said that "You can always find more features for less amount of money", and he's right about that as well. The importance of the OS and UI (or the amount of apps) can be debated, but as far as features go, Apple has pretty much always been behind the competition.

I'll admit that the iPhone 4's screen has the highest resolution of any smartphone, but that's pretty much it. There are other companies that offer longer battery life from their laptops (or netbooks) than Apple. That goes for smartphones as well.

I find it ridiculous how Steve Jobs thinks that the 7" tablets are too small, quickly pointing out that the 7" screen is only 45% of the size of a 10" screen, and going on to say that tablet users already have smartphones. Yet he seems to be completely blind to the fact that the 3,5" screen on the iPhone is only 25% of the size of a 7" screen, which is a significant difference and makes the 7" tablets much more web browsing friendly than any smartphone. And because the 7" tablets are smaller and more portable than the 10" ones, there's a bigger chance you'll actually carry it with you more often.

It was also interesting that Jobs didn't say anything about Nokia or their new Symbian OS. Maybe because despite Apple's best efforts, Symbian is still globally the most used OS in smartphones. And Apple will never come close to Nokia when it comes to global market share in the mobile phone industry. Best not to say anything about that then.


October 20, 2010, 3:46 am

@JK: I find it ridiculous how Steve Jobs thinks that the 7" tablets are too small

Yes, it's totally ridiculous Steve Jobs having an opinion.

I've not got an IPad but my mother in law recently bought one and then went on holiday, so I borrowed it for a couple of weeks. I found the size very nice, in fact if anything I'd say making it slightly bigger by making widescreen would have been nicer.

If you think 7" is a good size, then that's fine. If you just want the one device, then it also seems a good idea, the only issue for me is that putting this 7" device to my head for making phone calls I'd have to find some hiding place first, maybe some bluetooth headset but then I'd look even more of a plonker and something else I'd need to charge up etc.


October 20, 2010, 3:59 am

@JK - I didn't say gnodeb wasn't right. I just said that it wasn't all about features. WinMo phones of old had a million features crammed in, didn't mean they were all easy to use or anywhere near intuitive. Look at the mess of everyone thinking the more megapixels on a camera is better, the truth is deeper than that, but all those marketing nut jobs keep just mentioning it!

I think you're absolutely wrong when you say that the importance of the OS and UI can be debated. In fact, I would say that all the major players would say it's their number one priority. I'm not talking about the number of apps either, the OS is king. If you think otherwise then this isn't the game to be in!

That's one huge thing that Apple brought to the table, they opened up the smartphone platform to everyone. It took them a while to get the OS to a point where it was full featured (and MS are about to make the same mistake several years later!), but from a point of view of how a user interacts with the phone, they nailed it.

Whether they can continue to do so is debatable, as Nokia (finally) might be getting their act together and Android is maturing nicely.


October 20, 2010, 5:14 am

@ HK

Man U? That's harsh. Let's not say things we can't take back.

@ JK

Steve Jobs' dismissal/avoidance/rejection, whatever, of Nokia isn't necessarily a solely Jobsian thing but reflective of the whole American feeling toward a company that refuses to adopt a handset subsidy-for-network exclusivity model that everyone else utilises. Nokia are still very much in favour of being carrier independent, and the gap between the network choice on the iPhone here and Stateside shows what an ideological chasm that still is. I mean I think it's crazy that AT&T is still the only place you can get an iPhone in 2010 and I'm actually kind of glad Nokia is sticking its heels in to following the more European way of doing business.

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