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Specs Leak for 'Incredible' HTC Desire Successor

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Updated: Specs Leak for 'Incredible' HTC Desire Successor

Ink still drying on that HTC Desire 24 month contract? Got a paper shredder handy?

HTC is about to improve upon arguably the World's best smartphone with a new flagship model just weeks after the Desire hit shop shelves. First encountered back in February, the full spec sheet for the HTC Incredible makes for some, well... incredible reading.

Firming up what we already knew: the Incredible will have a 3.7in WVGA (800 x 480 pixel) OLED multi-touch capacitive display (those resistive screens already feel like a horrible memory), 1GHz Snapdragon chipset, HSUPA and GPS. What proves a pleasant surprise are the 8MP camera with autofocus, 802.11n WiFi, enlarged 512MB of RAM, 8GB of internal memory (plus microSD expansion slot) and Flash supporting WebKit browser. A 3.5mm headphone jack and accelerometer can (happily) be taken as given too.

Despite all this, some quick conversion also sees the Incredible size up at 117 x 58 x 11.9mm and weight just 130g making it no more of a pocket hog than the iPhone. Meanwhile talk time is up to 312 minutes and 149 hours standby, but expect to turn off all the toys (3G, WiFi, GPS, Bluetooth, etc) to achieve that.

Interestingly, the specs list the HTC Incredible as shipping with Android 2.1 (the current version) and given the frenetic pace of Google updates to its mobile OS that means we shouldn't be waiting long...

In related news Nokia has announced a trio of fairly dull dumbphones with hard keyboards for text happy users. The 'C3' (left), 'C6' (middle) and 'E5' (right) were supported by a huge amount of viral advertising (countdown clock, dedicated website, etc, etc) but ultimately fall a bit flat thanks to Nokia's long in the tooth Symbian OSes. Most interesting is the C6 with 3.2in 360 x 640 pixel display, HSDPA, GPS, WiFi and a 5MP camera. The others drop to 2.4in QVGA displays and offer 2MP (C3) and 5MP (E5) cameras.

Pricing comes in at 90 euros for the C3, 180 euros for the E5 and 220 euros for the C6. In a sentence: hurry up with Symbian^3 Nokia!

Update: Verizon has confirmed the HTC Incredible (renamed 'Droid Incredible') for a 29 April launch meaning the Desire could well have a successor in just a few weeks time! Here's an official product shot:

Link:

via BGR

The Doctor

April 14, 2010, 10:25 am

Erm... isn't the Incredible just a Desire with EV-DO for the US market? I don't think we're going to be seeing it over here.

rav

April 14, 2010, 1:11 pm

Doesn't sound like much of an upgrade except for the camera. The Desire has 576MB of RAM and everything else sounds pretty much the same.

ChaosDefinesOrder

April 14, 2010, 1:49 pm

RE: The Doctor: I think you're thinking of the HTC Evo (or that's what I keep seeing it mentioned as on Engadget)

James McMorine

April 14, 2010, 2:12 pm

ChaosDefinesOrder is right. The most important spec has to be the 8gb of internal memory, which means loads more space for app! Hopefully this will become the norm so then developers can start improving the games, as they will no longer be held back by the tiny internal memory on all android phones to date.

Simon

April 14, 2010, 2:27 pm

If i can put up with using my Touch Dual with WM for almost two years i can easily handle using my Desire for 18 months.

AJ

April 14, 2010, 2:28 pm

A few questions if I may. I'm an iPhone user (3g) and out of contract any day now, however I am being attracted to a few of the key features of these HTC handsets, especially the bigger screens, better camera (with flash ?) and browsing with flash built in.





Are these Android phones a real challenge to the iPhone ? Or are the applications available simply too limited to seriously consider them for this generation (try again in 2012 ? My present strategy is to wait and see what iPhone 4 will do in July, but I'm really not expecting Apple to do anything other than a simple evolution.





Is there a website where I can check what applications are available for Android handsets ? There are apps like Bloomberg, National Rail, Flixster, Sky+, mSecure, Skype, eBay, Sky News (plus many games) that I'd really want available on the other side ;-)





iPhone obviously does everything through iTunes. How do Android phones sync their Music / Video, backup applications / data and receive OS Updates.





Finally, with the iPhone updates are easy. With these HTC handsets can I just directly upgrade with updates from Google or is it a lot more complicated than that ?





Thanks for any help.

ChaosDefinesOrder

April 14, 2010, 2:50 pm

@AJ: I can answer a few of your questions:





-Updates are handled over the air. if you have an unbranded unlocked phone then it's direct from Google. If it's carrier locked and branded then it's over the air from the carrier.


-Syncing music and videos etc is simple drag-and-drop as if the phone was a USB thumb drive. I don't know about backups, but from what I know it's a case of backing up to a secure file on the phone, then drag and drop the backup from the phone to PC.





Can't help personally with the other issues

Ed

April 14, 2010, 2:57 pm

@AJ: This is something I've been thinking about for a while - an in-depth article outlining the state of play with the handsets. I'll look into getting something sorted over the next few weeks.

swift11

April 14, 2010, 4:23 pm

the Android update is the weak point in the ecosystem imho; MeeGo will be much better with regular updates from Nokia

AJ

April 14, 2010, 4:44 pm

Thanks for the help and answering some questions.!





Ed : Such an article would be very useful. I'm sure there are a lot of "normal" phone users or "iPhone" users out there looking at Android that simply stay with what they have because they are worried about switching technologies and the fuss that will bring.





From my perspective the iPhone does everything simply and all important things are handled seamlessly and automatically by iTunes. I'd really like to know how easy those same things are to do with an Android phone. I guess one tied to a provider too as virtually all phones sold nowadays are. Some key things would be :-





Upgrading firmware.


Transferring Music / Video


Syncing / Backing up Applications you've purchased.


Syncing Mail with (e.g.) Outlook


Syncing Contacts with (e.g.) Outlook


Checking applications that are available on Android.


Do all Android apps work on all Android phones ? As there is a massive range of screen sizes and specifications it seems odd that everything works on all phones and makes use of the extra resolutions / etc.





I'm sure others can add more.





Right now I'm err'ing towards another 18 month contract on iPhone 4 when it comes out (just to play safe) and keeping a close eye on how this Android explosion plays out. There are certainly lots of attractive features on the new HTC handsets though.

Martin Daler

April 14, 2010, 5:30 pm

Ed/AJ that would be a great idea. I am one who is quite tech-capable and gadget susceptible, but since I hardly use my mobile I have never been able to justify spending more than the few quid/month I rack up on my PAYG. So I stick with my basic mobile and resist the gadget urge in me.


However my younger colleagues have impressed upon me that it is not about chatting on the phone, its all about mobile internet, apps etc. They tell me they don't actually talk on the phone much either - they are blokes after all!


Suddenly the T-mobile £10/month 100 minute, unlimited internet, tariff on the Desire makes some sense to me. Too bad they withdrew it!


So yes, a comparative tutorial on the various ecosystems would be great. And don't make it all focus on Facebook/Twitter etc.

rav

April 14, 2010, 6:52 pm

@AJ


Updates


The Nexus One gets updates over the air although I'm not sure if it would be the same for major updates as these can be quite large (100MB+). HTC updates are usually downloaded on your PC and installed over USB. Saying that my Desire got an over the air update last week but it was more of a small patch. The Nexus will get updates pretty much instantly but for other handsets you could be waiting for a while.





Music/Video


You can drag and drop but DoubleTwist is a great app which syncs nicely with iTunes if you prefer.





Syncing Applications


There are backup apps but it's fairly easy to just redownload them from the Market. It remembers what you have previously downloaded.





Syncing Mail/Contacts


Not sure about all phones but HTC have a sync app which you can use for Outlook. To be honest you're not going to get the best out of the phone if you don't use Gmail. It's just a matter of logging in once and having all your mail, contacts and calendar sync automatically over the air. This is either a key selling point or meaningless depending on your preference.





Compatibility


All apps should run on all handsets. The only exception is phones still running 1.5 as some apps only work on 1.6 and above.





Apps


You can have a look at sites like Androlib to get an idea. There are a lot of apps and it is growing but if you are a junkie the iPhone is the better choice. I personally find that a lot of sites have great mobile websites which I prefer to use instead of having to install an app for everything but that's just me.

HarryGlass

April 14, 2010, 7:01 pm

@AJ. Been using Android for a while and while in some ways it's not as simple and user friendly as an iPhone it has some advantages and I think as time goes on it is getting more and more user friendly.





- Upgrading firmware.





Usually OTA, but if you cannot wait for your carrier you can usually flash it yourself.





- Transferring Music / Video





You can sync with doubleTwist if you want an app to do it, but I think most people just use drag and drop which personally I find the simplest solution.





- Syncing / Backing up Applications you've purchased.





There's apps to do this and the Google Market remembers all your purchases so if you were to loose your phone then you can re-install without paying again.





- Syncing Mail with (e.g.) Outlook


- Syncing Contacts with (e.g.) Outlook





One of the main advantages Android has over the iPhone is that these are automatically synced OTA with your Google Account. Change a contact photo in Gmail and it's synced to your phone. It means you never have to worry about being out of date and loosing your phone and your numbers. Of course you can then set Outlook to sync with your Gmail.





- Checking applications that are available on Android.





Android Market, App Brain (http://www.appbrain.com/) and AndroLib (http://www.androlib.com/) all do it for me. No doubt more such portals will spring up as the openness of Android means you are not limited to just iTunes. Also plenty of forums for personal recommendations.





- Do all Android apps work on all Android phones?





Not all, but the majority do. There's a few that need 1.6+ and some that need 2.0+ but any Android phone out these days should have 2.1 so OS wise you are fine. As for screen size, programmers seem really good at updating their Apps so that they fit all screens from what I've read. Only used one Android device myself, but never had any problems.








You can see it all two ways. Either Android is fractured and different devices give different experiences, whereas with an iPhone you get the same guaranteed experience (though there's feature differences with the 2G, 3G & 3GS of course). Or you can say you get a better choice of device, form factor, features (camera flash, removeable battery, memory card slot, etc, etc) with Android than the one locked down Apple design. Fanboys can then happily bash each other forever because there's no right answer. Personally while I'm Android right now, I could go iPhone if the 4G looks good, but I think on the whole I'll probably stick with Android as the benefits it has are ones the iPhone will never have, whereas most of the iPhone benefits are ones that Android is more likely to catch up with.

Hans Gruber

April 14, 2010, 7:44 pm

Firmware updates - you'll likely need to download a branded Android update, either over the air, or direct from your vendor's website. Known as a ROM, I downloaded an update (almost exactly 70MB) from the T-Mobile website just before Xmas and installed it to my Android phone via SD card. It was simple to do for anybody remotely familiar with computing.





Transferring music and video is, as has been mentioned, just a case of dragging and dropping to the (micro SD) memory card on your phone, either tethered (USB lead connected to phone) or you can use a memory card reader. You can download data by other means (wifi, bluetooth etc) but direct USB transfer is best. There's no need to sync' anything with any other computer program though album artwork is often not displayed, a question of finding out the technical reasons in how to get it showing or by using one of the free music apps such as ³ (Cubed) or MixZing, which can get your coverart via directly connecting to the net. Video thumbnails are used within the 'wildcard' type Android video widget, which shows a scrolling film negative of your films using a an early still of each one as well as the film title in each frame.





I don't know about sync'ing mail for any other email clients save Google Mail. It's handy to switch the google 'background synchronising' application off to extend battery life though. There are other email clients out there, known as widgets, for instant messaging and skype/VOIP based applications as well. Again, I don't really use them but Google has an instant messaging app already built in, which works well enough for me (I'm not sure if it works solely for other Google Mail users as again I'm not really into instant messaging myself).





The Android Marketplace is both good and easy to use but bad at the same time, simply because you can't access it on your computer and even over WIFI, it's a slow and labourious task browsing through the available applications. It takes a while to scroll down through items that are listed primarily by icon and a brief description. All applications are reasonably well categorised, fairly logically by function though there is significant overlap (eg, multimedia and entertainment based apps). It's worth noting that not all apps are available to all handset users - this is primarily due to the fact not everyone's phone has the same version of Android running on it so certain functionality isn't always available, though with some popular applications, it's a simple matter of offering a lesser feature set within an app.





It's worth doing an article on just the marketplace's of both Apple's iPhone and Google Android based mobile OS, since it's quite a significant part of owning and operating a phone these days. I think the Android Market is seriously limited in its inability of layout - you can choose to browse a list of apps, in a given category, by date most recently added (or updated) and popularity only. It'd be handy to have other sorting options as well as the ability to change from list to grid pattern so you can more quickly go through applications and find the one you ideally want.





As for purchasing apps, I think that's relatively well done and you've got the hassle-free security, that should you reinstall, update or reset your phone's operating system you only need to go to your 'my downloads' section within the Marketplace and see a list of purchased apps; you can reinstall them from there, a simple card check is performed. Google Checkout (through which all transactions are carried out) accepts registration of all major credit/debit cards, even AMEX. Ordering is simple (too much so maybe) and along with a unique Google Order ID that gets sent to your phone's registered Google Mail email address you get a one off 24 hr period in which you automatically get a refund should you be unhappy with the app, no questions asked. You can do this only once for obvious reasons. Google Checkout can help resolve any problems later on with purchases - I had trouble with ALK, developers of CoPilot and had to really on my google mail/checkout ids to resolve issues with them. It's worth pointing out that during the setup of your new Android phone, you'll need to register or set up a new google mail account that is tied to the phone and cannot later be changed, without requiring a complete phone hardware reset.





So your experience of Android's marketplace will vary depending on carrier, the handset you're using and most particularly the version of Android your phone's using. Some apps simply aren't available because a network operator has blocked them (commonly blocked apps are 'tethering' - using your phone as a 3G modem for connecting to the internet on your laptop say).





Looking forward to Ed/TR's roundup. Maybe you could a number of staff members' to report on their own personal experiences, app preferences/likes/dislikes etc? That'd make for interesting reading I reckon. Plus maybe a few good links to popular android resources? :)

Chris

April 14, 2010, 8:11 pm

I think The Doctor's right, this looks like it's just an improved Desire for CDMA networks. As such, it's about as relevant to the UK market as the 'Evo 4G'.





Also, I like the sound of 8GB of internal storage, but does anyone know if you can actually install apps to that? It's possible that the app partition might not be much (if any) larger than it is on existing Android phones, which would limit the advantages of internal storage somewhat. I think this could be the real reason why Android phones usually only bother to pack limited internal storage. Anything else would require a change to the way Android stores its app data.

xenos

April 14, 2010, 9:23 pm

@Gordon - Say what you like, the Desire IS incredible.. I'm MORE than happy with it! :-D

kaworu1986

April 15, 2010, 12:01 am

Is this news confirmed? This would be the first time I hear about a GSM version of the Incredible. If this is legit, I will have to reconsider buying a Desire and wait for this handset: apart from liking it more aesthetically, 802.11n support is something I would need (I can pick up about 6 different wireless networks at home and the only way I have to get mine to run at a decent speed is to set it to 5 Ghz, which rules out 802.11g devices).

AJ

April 15, 2010, 1:38 pm

Thanks everyone for all the replies and help.





I'm going to watch carefully over the next months until the iPhone 4 is launched but my initial feeling is that although the HTC hardware is now getting to a point where it is superior in many ways to the apple device, it is still overly complex to manage and use.





Also I don't use gmail and don't want to either. So this doesn't help me.





I'd love to think that Apple would solve everything by producing an iPhone 4 to rule again, but in reality I know they will just make minor changes to the 3gs. Still reading all the above does make me grateful for the full solution the iPhone provides, even in my 3g guise.

Kieran

April 16, 2010, 3:43 pm

Bought the desire yesterday (yes 2 days after T-Mobile racked up the price =( ) in the end i just got it on a 24 month contract to get the phone cheaper.





Damn it's incredible (no pun intended) love it never see many gadgets where the viewing angle doesn't matter its still very clear.





Was hesitant when i heard about the incredible but to be honest there's nothing there that appeals to me, only thing i like the look of it 8gb internal memory, but i use memory cards anyway, unless i get crazy with apps (which at around 1mb each can still fit over 100 on internal memory)





Camera makes no odds to me i never use phone cameras i just use my kodak one overall happy with what i got.





Although i will be looking into this to see if there's anything i missed out on. =P

AJ

April 16, 2010, 7:57 pm

Android applications and iPhone applications must be vastly different sizes. Although many on the Apple are very small, there are also a lot that are MUCH bigger than 1MB.





I think the biggest two I have are Dungeon Hunter (game) which although it says 220+Mb on the iTunes website I'm sure was actually over 400Mb upon installation AND a Dictionary tool that took up WAY more than the 40Mb claimed on iTunes too.





I could probably install 2 iPhone applications and max out the internal memory on most Android phones. And I believe that they can't run apps from memory cards (or is that a limitation not resolved) ?

Chris

April 16, 2010, 11:56 pm

@AJ- The executable apps can't be run from the SD card, but the apps can offload their data to the SD card. For example, the CoPilot satnav software installs to the local storage, but then stores all of its (considerable) map data on the SD card.


I think the system partition on the iPhone is only 500MB. I could be wrong about that, but that would mean that many larger apps on the iPhone will have to employ a similar tactic. Chances are you wouldn't even notice this happening on either device, which is as the developers intended.

AJ

April 22, 2010, 2:26 pm

Thanks Chris. Sounds good.





Android is very tempting to me. Looking at the new iPhone pictures it seems that the screen is getting smaller and is still "old" tech. This doesn't really thrill me at all.





So basically I have Android with it's great tech, big screens and fast processors; against the iPhone with it's excellent integration and an app for everything imaginable (that doesn't upset Apple in any way).





Right now I'm still "Apple", but it's close..

Geoff Richards

April 23, 2010, 6:16 pm

As expected (at least by me) HTC has stated they are NOT bringing the Incredible to the UK:





http://www.eurodroid.com/2010/...

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