Hamish Campbell

August 3, 2009, 5:17 pm

I'm assuming this is compatible with Better Place's program of quick battery replacements....? I know they and Renault are doing cars for the system....or is Nissan only doing the batteries? Looking forward to them going live here in Denmark in 2011.

typo 'right hours' presumably should be eight.

Hamish Campbell

August 3, 2009, 5:25 pm

I may be a bit picky now, but the eight hours is for the US's wussy 120volts, and our 'real man' 220 volt system will do it in 4 hours.

uh uh uh or whatever Tim the Toolman says.

Brian ONeill

August 3, 2009, 6:18 pm

Sounds good to me, and another example of what people can do if they put there minds to it. Note to American companies stop try to noble legislation, and get on with the R&D.


August 3, 2009, 8:17 pm

While I don't personally want one of *these* electric cars, I'm all for electric and seeing what sort of difference it can make. So, good luck Nissan, and bring it on!


August 3, 2009, 8:40 pm

Why is it that the design for electric and other 'green' cars has to be so awful?

Matt G Baish

August 3, 2009, 9:10 pm

Bah - I got all excited until I did some googling and found out that;

1) price will be circa £19K!!!! (without batteries!)

2) lease of batteries likely to be £75-£100 pcm (electricity cost on top of that remember)

3) will not be compatible with the Renault quick-swap battery replacement scheme (although 30 minute to 80% capacity recharge @ stations, it will take a lot longer/costlier to equip stations than just shipping in some charged batteries)

So its back to the crappy old Citroen C3 Diesel for me (which although ugly as sin is fairly cheap to run, has 5 seats and has fairly low CO2 pollution rating).

I REALLY want to go down the electric car zero emissions (at point of use) route - or even a Prius to go halfway - but the economics just don't add up.

P.S. @haim - it actually seems to be 8 hours in Europe/UK & 16 hours in US (which would make it next to useless in US I would reckon)

Hamish Campbell

August 3, 2009, 10:15 pm

@Matt- I should have added my link, says 4 hours for 220 volts. Thats pretty good really, if true of course :)


It gets a bit interesting here in Denmark as the better place system of interchangeable batteries is going in 2011, plus here we have 180% (that is not a typo) tax on the price of the car, however this is waived for electric vehicles (secured until 2012 or 15 at the moment) so for Danes this will turn out to be considerably cheaper than a regular (new) car.


August 3, 2009, 11:29 pm

@Andy H: Because manufacturers are using it as an excuse to actually do some real design rather than copying each other? I like it, although it does look like something Citroen or another french company would come up with rather than a Nissan.

The inside is hideous though.


August 4, 2009, 12:17 am

I have no idea where Wired got 4 hours from. Nissan's press release says eight hours at 200V, which would be about seven hours at the UK's 230V if my maths is right. The "quick charger" requires three phase power, so it's not exactly domestically plausible.

Matt G Baish

August 4, 2009, 12:48 am

@haim: autocar thinks different :) Ho hum.

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August 4, 2009, 12:53 am

Have you seen the shape???!!!!

I'll walk the 100 miles thanks.


August 4, 2009, 7:35 am

We have 220 v in the US. Many heavy duty home appliances here run on 220. Different plug too. Not a big deal at all to have 220 v to juice up these batteries. So, wussy 110 v in the house where the kids play, and manly 220 v where needed. Kind of bicameral.


August 4, 2009, 7:59 am

This sounds like an interesting vehicle to me. But what if I drive 89 miles to work in rural Kansas, plug it in for a full recharge, and receive an urgent call at 9:17 a.m. to come home immediately because my wife is in an emmergency room? How will I ever get home?

Hamish Campbell

August 4, 2009, 1:33 pm

pants, that 4 hours would have been pretty sweet. What would it cost to get a quick charge do-whackey installed?

Matt G Baish

August 4, 2009, 3:38 pm



Tony Walker

August 5, 2009, 1:21 am

Is it being built in Sunderland like the batteries?

Anyone know how I can get it in my house so I can plug it in to a standard mains socket? Any smartarses that say garage will be disembowelled with an old Wylex plug.

Just read the Autocar bumpf. Given that Nissan are owned by Renault why is the parent allowing it's child to declare "not playing" re the standardising of the batteries?

Standardising batteries so you can swap them for a charged one has to be the way to go. Most of Europe (World?) uses this method for Gas cylinders.

Just had a magic thought. How many wind turbines could you get in a supermarket car park? This would make the leccie for recharging the batteries sustainable and truly zero emission. Notwithstanding the stuff pumped out making the turbines of course.

Matt G Baish

August 7, 2009, 4:26 pm

@Tony Walker

"Any smartarses that say garage will be disembowelled with an old Wylex plug"

I assume they will have thought of this & provide a kit (probably at extortionate extra cost). You can always make your own isolated outside mains socket (few bits and bobs from screwfix should see you right :)).

"Just had a magic thought. How many wind turbines could you get in a supermarket car park?"

Approximately one - probably not enough .... http://www.withouthotair.com/ (dodgy looking website but excellent book :))

Tony Walker

August 8, 2009, 10:18 am


Sending the heavies round with the plug! I live in a terraced stone cottage with no front garden, hence fronting straight onto the pavement with first-come first-served parking. And yes due to the narrowness and busyness of the road we have to park half on the pavement. Now, given people, prams, etc. have to use what is left of the pavement, how, even if I could guarantee to park outside my own house, I would be able to or be allowed to have any kind of installation. Not to mention vandalism.

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