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Major Windows Phone 7 Series & Internet Explorer 9 Flaws Outed

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Major Windows Phone 7 Series & Internet Explorer 9 Flaws Outed

Oh Microsoft, you were doing so much right...

After wooing the World with Windows Phone 7 Series and Internet Explorer 9 it turns out that there are some particularly worrying small print for each product.

Firstly 7 Series and after yesterday's revelations that the potentially exciting OS will not support multi-tasking at launch and the news all handset makers would not be allowed to make phones with expandable memory, we now learn the platform will be missing... wait for it... cut and paste.

Yes, Microsoft suddenly seems to be doing its best generation one iPhone impression: no multi-tasking, no expandable storage, no cut and paste and it has already confirmed Flash support is unlikely before 2011. What is even more galling is not only have many of its rivals either fixed or known to be working on solutions to these problems, but that the lambasted previous generations of Windows Mobile can already do most of this!

Tread carefully Microsoft or you risk swinging from an ugly yet powerful OS that disappointed consumers to a superficial, handicapped OS that is useless for business. And cut and paste... really?!

As for Internet Explorer 9, its issue is far more straightforward: it doesn't support Windows XP!

"Building a modern browser requires a modern operating system," said Internet Explorer General Manager Dean Hachamovitch in some of the most ridiculous bits of reasoning I've heard for some time. Chrome, Safari, Firefox, Opera all work just fine on XP.

We're awaiting clarification about whether this will translate to the final version, but I wouldn't put it past the Redmond giant who is desperate to get users off the nine year old OS. Putting XP users at risk by stopping them running its latest and therefore, inevitably, most secure browser would be taking things to a new ruthless extreme though. Then again, this could backfire and simply encourage the hundreds of millions of XP users to move to the likes of Firefox, Chrome or Opera which would be a stunning own goal.

It has been all sunshine and rainbows over Microsoft for quite some time now, but are those returning clouds I see on the horizon?

Links:

IE9 via CNet

Cut & paste via Dailytech

meeto 0

March 17, 2010, 3:07 pm

I have an old old laptop and hated even using the internet but since using chrome. Its so fast just loading up and closing let alone web browsing. I would never go back apart from maybe the odd website that I cant use properly without explorer. As for their phone OS. Its a shame that HTC are pushing it in some of their handsets. I was an avid Nokia fan but my current phone is so slow and unresponsive that I want an android or Iphone now.

rav

March 17, 2010, 3:13 pm

How hard can copy/paste be to implement? There surely can't be a technical reason for not supporting it. Saying that, it never hurt iPhone sales.

Guest

March 17, 2010, 3:23 pm

If true, no IE9 on XP does seem a bit silly when XP itself remains supported by Microsoft until 2014. If XP was out of support then I could understand such a decision. Clearly this sounds more like a commercial decision than a technical one. Probably not a huge deal as I suspect a large proportion of the XP usage is in the coporate world - who are stuck on IE6/7 anyway! ;-)

Bal

March 17, 2010, 3:35 pm

I was holding out for WinMo 7 Series phone; but after this news i think I'll go down the Android route. Microsoft have really disappointed by handicapping their OS and I still can't believe the HD2 will not be supported.

lensmann

March 17, 2010, 3:51 pm

I'm speechless. I thought I was joking when I said yesterday that Microsoft's next step would probably be removing the ability to copy-and-paste from Windows Phone 7. What on earth are they thinking? They're not going to be able to compete with Apple in terms of shiny spiffyness, not in a million years. Why can't they concentrate on powerful functionality, which they've been doing very well? Here's one user who's going to be looking for other platforms - I've been using WinMo since 2003, but clearly Microsoft's current vision for smartphones is totally different from anything I'd find useful.

Stewart

March 17, 2010, 4:12 pm

What's the deal with expandable memory? Nearly every mid-range phone upwards to the smartphones at the top of the pile support expandable memory (except of course the iPhone), and now MS has decided to remove this option from any phone running Windows Phone 7 Series? How can they expect smartphones to be taken seriously as replacements for PMPs, cameras, email/docs on the road? What do MS get by making you pay ridiculous premiums for devices with more meory built in.


...and no cut and paste?


I've just crossed a Windows Phone 7 Series (please shorten that name!) off any future purchase.

Xelon

March 17, 2010, 4:14 pm

I've got win mo 6.5 on HD2, looks like I will be sticking with this mobile OS as Winmo 7 will be totally locked down just like the iPhone, think Microsoft may have already lost current Winmo users, a shame as I was looking forward to Winmo7, not any more!

Vivid

March 17, 2010, 4:22 pm

This is absurd.





It's like a memo went around Microsoft saying "Make our stuff more like Apple's" and they forgot to put in the caveat "except the rubbish stuff".

Simon

March 17, 2010, 4:34 pm

Well that's decided then, bye bye WM, hello HTC Desire.

AlexKitch

March 17, 2010, 4:53 pm

Agree with you on your Phone 7 Series woes, but not with your Internet Explorer 9 concerns. Windows XP users are already putting THEMSELVES at risk by continuing to use such an old and deprecated operating system. From what I understand, Internet Explorer 9 employs the new Direct2D API, available on Windows Vista, Windows Server 2008 and Windows 7 only

DrDark

March 17, 2010, 4:56 pm

@meeto_0: What is your current phone?





@article: "Tread carefully Microsoft or you risk swinging from an ugly yet powerful OS that disappointed consumers to a superficial, handicapped OS that is useless for business. And cut and paste... really?!"


Is it only me who sees some irony in that statement?





As far as I can see, the Windows Phone 7 Series is actually the "Zune Phone" and if you want the series, business side of things, you'll stick with 6.5.3, the external storage point especially confounds me.





I'm not too saddened though, just reconfirms to me that Nokia & Symbian will come out on top eventually :D *stuffs cotton wool into ears in case you try to convince me otherwise*.

Gordon394

March 17, 2010, 5:05 pm

Looks like we're all singing from the same hymn sheet and while I don't often say "go read another site" - I think this sums things up nicely: http://gizmodo.com/5495005/hey...

Ben 3

March 17, 2010, 5:22 pm

@AlexKitch you are correct about Direct2D. Which means that any browser that uses the API - Firefox included, will either have to exclude XP or possibly offer a degraded experience.

Keithe6e

March 17, 2010, 5:30 pm

@Steve32: If true, no IE9 on XP does seem a bit silly when XP itself remains supported by Microsoft until 2014.





They did the same with DX10, even though XP could easily handle it. Microsoft are a running out of ideas to make you want to upgrade your current OS, so unfortunately I can see them doing more & more of these tactics in the future. eg, even with Vista they didn't bother fixing all it's faults, to them these faults helped encourage users to upgrade to Windows 7. Maybe leaving out Cut'n'Paste & Multi-Tasking is there way of encouraging you to upgrade to Windows Phone 8. :) I've been a Windows user since the days of 3.11, but with what's happened with Vista it pushed me into the world of Linux, and so in a way I'm glad Vista was so bad. If any of you have tried Linux in the past and thought it too geeky/low level, things have really changed now, why not give it a go again, it doesn't cost a penny. Oh, and if you do try Linux for the first time, my advice is try Linux Mint a very user friendly & complete distribution.

Gordon394

March 17, 2010, 6:02 pm

@AlexKitch - agreed, but the fact other Webkit based browsers still perform much faster makes it a bit of a moot point. Furthermore, I'm not convinced it would take a programming genius to simply setup IE9 so that it enables Direct2D on Vista and beyond and disables it in XP...

BobaFett

March 17, 2010, 6:54 pm

@Stewart: maybe they should call it the whyPhone?





@Keith: agreed, it's all about securing revenue streams but then that's par for the course for every businesses. Microsoft will always come out looking worse though, given their huge user base. It will be interesting to see if they eventually kill off Windows Mobile 6.5.x though. I can see it co-existing quite happily for now but they'll be splitting their third party developers across two mobile development platforms. The non-native code approach for Windows Phone 7 seems puzzling in this context (I assume both platforms have the same core operating system under the hood).

Chris

March 17, 2010, 8:05 pm

Crikey, after perusing the iPad comments it feels odd to read a thread where everyone's agreeing with one another.





What's wrong with you people? :)





Seriously though, we can hope that universal condemnation will be a wake-up call for Microsoft.

J4cK1505

March 17, 2010, 9:36 pm

In the wise words of AVGN





'What were they thinking!?!?!??'

Jay4d0

March 17, 2010, 9:52 pm

xp is outdated now everyone should just move on to newer pastures, if they want to stick with xp then IE8, FF or chrome will do them fine.

theory28

March 17, 2010, 10:10 pm

This might just be me being cynical, but I could see the lack of memory card slots probably being due to app piracy concerns (eg. like how you cant install to memory cards on android until the mem-card encryption is implemented). The "security" of offering your content on "closed" platforms is somewhat a necessity for companies like MS to be able to entice content providers to work with them, and a good example of this is how games developers are more likely to prioritise console development over PC's as I am sure you are aware. Why they cant simply just offer memory card encryption of apps I can only assume is due to the immaturity of the platform.





...I also have a feeling that it may some form of concession towards their manufacturing partners as it allows them a means of product differentiation (not just between companies, but also internally for product road-maps etc) by being able to sell an 8gb model of a phone, then later a newer model with 16gb, then 32gb and so on). Then eventually when mem-card encryption is available they can the have handset that include card slots as a value add in for newer gen products.





makes sense from prospective of a company in MS's position that has to deal with both content providers and hardware manufacturers - but isnt particularly fun if you are a consumer,





.....but like I said thats probably just me being cynical.





anyways that was longer than I wanted it to be, so you can see why I don't post here that frequently

Runadumb

March 17, 2010, 11:28 pm

What are they thinking with this? I recently tried to copy and paste from an email on my nexus one and couldn't get it to work which was really annoying as my old wm phone did it easily. Now MS is releasing this OS towards the end of the year and already it lacks;


Multitasking (very annoying)


Expandable memory (dealbreaker)


Copy and paste (something that cant be that hard and seems like a basic must have)


So after me being unimpressed at MWC but then having my interest perked by some of the cool things show at mix this is now totally off my radar. How can an new OS lack multitasking in a world where WebOs exists? Oh I would also like to say the pre's lack of SD card was a killer for it to. Pre 2...here's hoping

HarryGlass

March 17, 2010, 11:45 pm

@theory28: Longer than you intended mayhaps, but while I was skeptical of your words to begin with by the end I thought you might just be right. These things are all dissapointing from MS; Copy & Paste is a joke given how much the iPhone was lambasted for it. Not having a memory card is bad, but as long as there's enough built in memory it's still going to be fine for most people.





It seems in their rush to rejig WP7 (given the earlier screenshots of it looking like WM6) they haven't had time to fully cover all bases. Should they wait and iron these things out first?





As for IE9, by the time it comes out people should be off XP. If not they are unlikely to be people who'd upgrade anyway.

Helmore

March 18, 2010, 1:31 am

@theory28 - The reason is a bit simpler than that. They don't want to delay WM7S any further and that means will have to implement some features at a later date. There are quite some features that they want to implement into WP7S but are going to be added after the first phones hit the market. One such feature is lower level access to the GPU, which will be added by the end of this year through the DirectX 9 Mobile API and that will give game devs programmable shaders for example.





As for no IE9 on XP, who cares about XP. MS has already indicated that they won't be adding anything new to the platform from this moment onwards and the only updates it will get are security related or bug fixes. I still wouldn't be surprised if they did make a version of IE9 for XP though, but that version won't be nearly as secure and fast as the Vista and Windows 7 version.





@Keith - Adding DirectX 10 to XP would pretty much be like turning XP into Vista. It would require a tremendous amount of effort and it would result in a lot of trouble. DirectX 10 was pretty much the sole reason why NVIDIA and ATI couldn't get any decent GPU drivers out around the launch of Vista. The driver model that was needed for DX10 was completely new and it took ATI and NVIDIA a while to get proper support for it. Next time start reading about what DirectX 10 brings to the table and then you'll probably come to the conclusion that it's simply too much effort to put DX10 on XP.


Just as a lame car analogy (who doesn't like those), say you are driving a 2001 build Ford Mondeo that you bought in 2002 and Ford releases a new version of the Ford Mondeo with new engine and everything. That Mondeo you have does still work fine, but you want that new engine that's used in the new Mondeo to be build into your current Mondeo and you think Ford should actually do that for you on their cost. Do you actually think that's fair to ask of Ford? You're pretty much asking the same thing of Microsoft here.

JohnH

March 18, 2010, 1:20 pm

Ouch, MS how could you say such things. That really hurts.





I think we need to reconsider our relationship. Perhaps we need a trial separation. I'll play around with some other phone totty and you can go away and sort yourself out.





All those hopes. Those dreams. The pain we went through for a brighter future. All wasted.

Tony Young

March 18, 2010, 2:50 pm

Give me a few minutes, I'm just about to pre-order a Desire and drop my HD in the bin!

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