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John Lewis Claims Camera, FaceTime & Gyroscope On iPod touch 4G

Gordon Kelly


It has been all quiet on the iPod front for a number of months as the iPhone and iPad continue to hog all the headlines. Partly this is Apple's fault in delivering a competent, if underwhelming upgrade with its third generation iPod touch, but that could be all about to change.

Speaking at its Christmas look-ahead event UK mega retailer John Lewis has somewhat surprisingly revealed a detailed breakdown of what it believes will be the new features of the fourth generation iPod touch.

As you might expect, a camera is there and it will allegedly be the same much improved five megapixel shooter as seen on the iPhone 4 along with 720p HD video shooting credentials. It will also adopt the gyroscope of its antenna troubled big brother and introduce FaceTime over WiFi - presumably meaning the iPod touch could feature a native mic.

All these claims make sense - up to a point. Adding the camera and gyroscope (and presumably a switch to the same Apple A4 chipset) would again unify the platform for developers, though the controversial Retina Display may prove a cost too far. As for FaceTime this is a tricky one since Apple obviously wants its overhaul of video calling to take off so needs to show support, but runs the risk of creeping a little too close to the added functionality of the iPhone 4.

On the flip side John Lewis is a hugely respected brand in the UK so it would seem daft for it to be throwing out claims randomly - especially as part of an official presentation for its Christmas sales strategy. In this case then we're prepared to give it the benefit of the doubt, especially considering previous iPod touch camera leaks.

Besides, we shouldn't have to wait beyond Apple's traditional iPod refresh month of September to find out...

In related news Wired reports Steve Jobs has dismissed concerns that iOS 4 is a battery drain on the iPhone 3GS. Complaints have been building around the Web about this, but in an typically curt email response to Norwegian journalist Jarle Aasland who enquired about the issue he simply said "Nope".

Steve, you really need to stop doing this...


Via Pocket-Lint


July 8, 2010, 7:09 pm

I do not like iPhones, but the iPods with these updates does appeal to me. One thing I really wish Apple would do, as I have been saying for years, is to put a data only micro SIM into an iPod touch.

That way I could at last be free to buy a small form factor phone with a great battery life (without having to stress about trying to cram all these extra features into a compromised phone chassis) and cheaper talk time tariff and use the iPod touch and data package for email, web and media functions. I basically want a mini iPad!


July 8, 2010, 7:35 pm

I'm ready and waiting. Just pleeease try to roughly stick to the price points you've already got. VAT is unavoidable, but I'm not sure I can take another Being British rise from Apple. The iPod Touch pricing is one of the few I actually think is very competitive for the feature set. And I wonder about storage size this time. Will Apple go the whole hog and offer a 128GB model? Or does the 32GB ceiling on the iPhone 4 make that a bridge too far? I've always said, as soon as the Touch can cram in that much, the rickety old Classic's days are numbered.


July 8, 2010, 8:47 pm

Pleasepleasepleasepleaseplease let this be true, I would upgrade my Ipod Touch in an instant if ti had a camera and video editing software.

Also it would be nice if the ipad's camer connectivity kit alos worked with the iPod/Iphone (although I think thats unlikely) as the Ipod esepcially is crying out to be used as a portable media viewer/storage device for my video camera..


July 8, 2010, 10:09 pm

No comments yet on whether it needs to be held a certain way?

Looks like I might have my list for Santa sorted.


July 9, 2010, 12:14 am

@Gordon: I'd be interested to hear why you state the Retina Display as "controversial".


July 9, 2010, 12:14 am


I understand where you're coming from, but I'd rather just carry one device that does everything - with a long-life battery!


July 9, 2010, 1:57 am

Please please please let me be a slave to Apple yet again and THEN allow Apple to dictate how I use their over priced (though nice looking) devices. I can't wait to lock myself into their tech once more. Dear Mr Bank Manager (or Credit Card provider) I will be funding Steve Jobs retirement once again and need an extension of my overdraft/loan/extended credit (please delete as appropriate)......


July 9, 2010, 4:01 am

Steve's BS response on battery issues annoying as well. I have a 3G and my wife has a 3GS and before iOS4 we both got 2-3days min battery on our phones. Since updating to iOS4 I only get a days usages an my wife and push it to 2 if she hardly uses it. So F-ed off!


July 9, 2010, 5:51 am

@jcwacky - because a) it's a preposterous name, b) it only true depending on the distance you hold it from your eyes c) scientists are split over whether it truly lives up to its name or not.

That's not to say I don't think it is a fantastic display - it is and I own an iPhone 4 - but it is high in hyperbole.


July 9, 2010, 6:19 am

This must be a stupid question because I'm surprised this sort of thing isn't all over the place but...

The iPhone has a huge userbase, a user base who naturally want to pay as little as possible on their monthly bill. Now, we all know that VoIP basically means free communication with the only charge being for internet access. Why don't apple and other companies support and really push VoIP into the mainstream, to maybe even become the de-facto method of communication eventually. The iPhone is easily capable - and so is the iPod Touch. I understand allowing this on the Touch would canalise iPhone sales, but this just goes to show its what the market want, surely Apple could use this to their advantage, by sort of entering the market dominated by Vodaphone, O2 etc. A VoIP only handset would be nearly useless - it can't call landlines and any other phones without this feature, but at least give it a proper foothold and let the technology take off. Maybe this is what facetime is, but why not have just voice time, and let it not just be a novelty feature.

A VoIP enabled touch would cost, Im guessing, something similar to the touch 3G, it would put pressure on contracts ( 24 months what the hell). Or at least for now, just a voip enabled iPhone, a loss of revenue for o2 wont harm apple will it.

Does any one see what Im getting at, we all ready pay for our broadband at home, and plenty of us have a 3g connection on our handsets whatever they are, why pay for the minutes we use when we could talk over these connections for free

Ill check this space soon, any replies would be appreciated


July 9, 2010, 1:24 pm


VOIP using a mobile has been available for some time - 3 in particular push it using Skype and various phones. The N900 (as an example) always gives you the option of using Skype.

The biggest problem IMHO is that you need the other person that you are calling to also be using Skype or you end up having to pay Skype for the outgoing call from their system to the wider network (although usually at lower rates). I have found that it really only makes sense when I'm calling overseas so I'm not having to pay long-distance charges, within the UK it's easier just to pay for the minutes on a sim-only plan.


July 9, 2010, 1:33 pm

@J4cK1505: Why don't apple and other companies support and really push VoIP into the mainstream

I suppose you could say that's what Facetime is doing. I know it's currently restricted to wi-fim, but I assume that restriction will be removed in the future. There is also Skype etc that can run on most smartphones.


July 9, 2010, 2:42 pm

@AndyR; I think if you were getting 2-3 days worth of battery from the 3GS before you were doing well, did you not use it? :)

I have a 3GS and it's charged every night, if I don't I wouldn't trust it to last through the next day. This is of course with heavy use of apps, WiFi, a few calls and texts etc. It is used throughout the day, so it doesn't bother me to charge it every night, although it would be great if it lasted a week without worrying about it! (Same can be said of most other smart phones too.

As for iOS4, I think I am getting slightly better battery performance, but the improvements to the OS are well worth it even if I wasn't!

As for Jobs' response, it's getting very tired. If he's too busy to give a meaningful reply, just don't bother.


July 9, 2010, 4:05 pm

@Kaurisol + Keith... Yes I definatly agree with you both. But maybe there should be a marketed VoIP app on the iPhone + Touch by default, think of the advert, 'call all your friends for free'.

'Skype etc that can run on most smartphones' ...I didn't know that, maybe its the markets lack of understanding (me included. I know millions use skype but it does seem to be perceived as a product restricted to PC. Thanks for the responses


July 9, 2010, 4:27 pm

I'm sure the gyroscope will be there simply because a lot of 'gaming' apps will need it and as the ipod touch is partly aimed at the psp/ds market apple would be shooting itself in the foot if the ipod touch couldnt run some of the newer games in the app store.

facetime would seem logical if apple truly wanted to push the format but with it would need to be some form of built in mic (and the built in speaker would remain)

a 5MP camera would be nice but I doubt it, I would think that they could use a 3.2MP camera as it would be thinner and easier to fit into the case (5MP camera in iphone4 is 6mm the ipod touch is 6.5mm thick in total) and 720p video can be done on a 3MP camera as there are enough pixles there

I would assume that the iphones retina display would also be used, again as it would unite the platform as newer games and apps may require the higher pixel density display.

also present will be wireless N (finally may I add), and of course better battery life,

as for the case I doubt that they will want to make it thicker, as the thinness is a selling point, and I also cannot see them making it more 'boxy' and if it is then it will be like the first gen ipod touch where it wider across more of the back and also giving them more room for cameras.

I personally wouldnt want a sim card in it as 1. it would push up the price and 2. using it on wifi is free and many people would not want any extra cost of buying any data add-ons. also with there being no compass or GPS any maps or navigation data uses couldnt be used, so you could only use safari, email or some apps while about which if you bought an ipod touch you may suggest that you have a phone that can already do those things or you can share your phones data with the ipod through mifi to achieve the same result and only pay for one data plan.

as for storage by september 64GB flash data chips will be far more available than they were for the iphone so it is possible for there to be a 128GB version (which would allow for ample room for storage intensive apps and plenty of room for music and video) but it would also be a plus if apple allowed mass storage on a device of that big like they do with the nano and classic ipods, but I wouldnt be supprised if they just stick with the 64GB option as the highest.


July 11, 2010, 12:09 pm

Recession - what recession ?

In these dark times why anyone wouldn't rush out and blow 300 quid on an upgrade from a nasty old regular touch - to a new super shiny touch with a gyroscope and a camera is beyond me.

( sarcasm mode off )


August 10, 2010, 5:49 am

I hope the new iPods get the gyro. I want to play stuff like this http://www.youtube.com/watc... Gyroscopic air drums.

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