Microsoft Confirms Zune HD With Multi-touch

@ gareth - ten tracks on amazon, for example, cost about £6 @ 60p each. Then you are just paying £4 for the subscription that has no limits whatsoever as in you can download the entire library (pretty much the same as itunes except for really obscure stuff) for free as in you get 10 tracks to keep plus say 1000 tracks (the only limit is how much YOU can download) on the subscrition service THAT is a very good deal unless you illegally download your music. You obviously didn't read the article 480x272 is far more widescreen that the ipod touch and the devices have gained over 10% market share in the US and are second only to apple. The market has nowhere near reached saturation since people replace their devices every year or two or three so there is still much demand hence increased MP3 player sales last year.
This is just outright fanboy "in the case of the upcoming Nana {I think you mean nano} (allegedly) it's gonna have a camera {is it hell} - smart thinking {WTF} and a real extra benefit of buying the device {WTF} "

oh and guys read the article as Gordon said HD output is through a dock

@Gordon, I understand the dock would be its source of output, but again who is going to use a media player such as this to playback HD material to a monitor or HD TV? Most HD files are in MKV format in its highest quality file format and are usually over 1Gb in size to account for the resolution and quality. Knowing its an MS product MKV probably wont be supported and h264/MP4 will be used, reducing the overall quality in favour of file size. At this point, using the media player as it is, its HD tag is very limited and misleading to the consumer.

@Andrew Violet
with regards to the Zune-Pass, it ain't working because if it was there would be MORE people with ZUNES simple numbers buddy. People don't rate it so they don't buy it no matter how much you tell them it's ace. It's not just about price.

Widescreen - obviously I am wrong.

10% market share - wow. Second only to apple, well done them. Redmond with their billions in the bank, their ubiquitous OS in nearly every house on the planet, with 2 current OS's in the market-place and a third on the way (not forgetting their mobile flavors) can manage (very distant) second place to a company only 10 years ago were being written off completely, with a platform that was the preserve of the creative industries and little else. Way to go Redmond - awesome, I mean really, really awesome. In the mean time they made up the 'plays for sure' crappolla, got all 3rd parties on board then took them out into the woods and shot them all in the back of the head. Nice.

Saturation point
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/04/08/apple_near_saturation_point_for_ipod_itunes_use_by_teens.html

Cause they just make this up to while away their hours y'know.

And people 'replace their devices every year or two or three?' Make your mind up. Example - saturation point has hit compact digital cameras and now they are integrating new tech to stimulate the market - you can't just sell a 'digital camera' anymore (except for on price alone), for a convincing sale and a wow factor to get the sale it has to have wi-fi, location services, facebook interoperability, 3D (next?) HD-video etc etc. See what I mean?

Outright Fanboyism - no, just straight thinking, I think maybe you you ought to consider that people who like Apple products also like other stuff and just because they like Apple stuff doesn't mean they blindly follow them.

The biggest problem Redmond has however is that Apple's market is huge but most importantly each apple user when they upgrade to a new unit has a choice to make. If I owned an apple iPod what do you think I would buy next, another iPod or wait - I know, I'll rush out and buy a ZUNE...

nah don't think so.

Oh - and if you don't think a camera built into an Mp3 player is a useful addition "WTF" yer'self.