By Danny Phillips
Reviewed: 17 Jan 2011
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RS232? What on earth can I connect to that without getting an ancient desktop out of my loft....?
With my Humax 9200 having provided excellent sevice, the fact that Humax has supported this model with regular updates and that it has remained reliable and stable I was going to simply update to the HDR version when the time come. Now I am not so sure.I think what most people would like to know is the Humax HDR or Icecrypt better?
@jpkerr - the Humax HDR has more features that the Icecrpyt including transcoding HE AAC into Dolby Digital, playing media directly from a network DLNA server and shortly iPlayer plus media server (stream recordings to other devices). The Humax remote also looks much nicer and the Humax EPG is the best I've used on any PVR - very clear with lots of information presented.
Quote: ...record two channels and watch a third, which is a rare talent...PVRs have been doing that for years :-?
Thank you for helping us discover worthwile alternatives to Humax which, or so I felt lead to think, was the only supplier of a reliable and efficient HD PVR.Could someone tell me if the remotes on these devices keep on using infrared, or if someone has adopted RF which would have the added benefit to allow the placement of the device in a cupboard, alongside other Audiovisual devices.That would be neat!On a lighter and completely distracting note, I wonder what the 4th picture on page 4 is all about!
@clemenzina: You'd be surprised how few Freeview PVRs lets your record two channels and watch a third. Most let you record two simultaneously but then prevent you from changing channel.
I thought the usual restriction was that the 'Third' channel must use a shared MUX, e.g. three channels using a maximum of two MUXs
@Terrystan - there must be something in what you say. I'm not up on DVB tech, but with 2 tuners how else do you get to receive 3 signals, as per the review?
The 3view and Toshiba HDR5010 (and presumably the TVonics which has the same software) don't allow you to watch a third channel while recording two channels even if it is on the same mux.
Guys, the third channel has to be a pre recorded programme.
"When recorded, the competent video encoders ensure that HD programmes lose none of their crystal clear definition and SD programmes look solid too."Is this a mistake or is the Icecrypt deviating from, what I believe to be, every other HDD recorder on the market by not simply saving the broadcast stream to the HD.
@Martin Daler: The FreeView channels in the UK are transmitted using 6 multiplexes, totalling a maximum bandwidth of 126Mbps (15.75MB/s). A multiplex, by definition is a way of transmitting multiple signals, in this case Freeview channels, using only one signal. So you only need one tuner per multiplex that you want to 'tune into' and then it's up to the software to extract the channel or channels that it is interested in. MythTV for example, allows you to record a whole multiplex at once and if you have 6 tuners installed, you could record every channel at once (although you'd be using 56.7GB of disk space per hour).http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D...
@LamboyMy Humax can record 2 and watch a third live. I think I can record two, watch a third and have PiP of a fourth in fact :-)
@Tim Sutton3 tuners?
@Lamboy - nope - 2 tuners, but (as discussed above) it can decode more than 2 streams out of 2 received Muxes.
@BobaFett - good answer, not a lot of people get the idea of multiple streams all multiplexed together into a single channel of continuous data. Suspect your comment will help a lot of folks grasp this important concept (which is also used extensively with DAB, DVD, BluRay, etc).
@pxmm: As far as I'm aware hardly any HDD recorders record the data stream direct. Panasonic's Freeview Blu-ray recorders do using their 'Direct Record' mode but most others have to decode the stream first then re-encode. That's how you get a choice of recording modes.
@Danny P - not at all. As far as I'm aware almost *ALL* current Freeview / Freeview HD / Freesat PVRs do exactly this, as do Sky and Virgin (hence why they don't offer multiple recording quality levels), and it makes perfect sense - why would you decode and then recode the data (requiring a powerful video encoding chip, especially for HD) when you could just directly record the stream? With ever increasing HDD capacities, lack of storage is rarely a problem so recoding at lower quality is unnecessary.
@BobaFett - thanks, that makes perfect sense.
@John: I stand corrected, I was talking about DVD/HDD combis, which do re-encode the signal so it's in the correct format for DVD copying etc, but PVRs record direct. So just ignore the bit about 'competent video encoders'.
in analogue terms one radio frequency say 671Mhz = one channel say Ch 46 (BBC1 Sutton CF) and this is what the tuner selects. However with Digital TV one radio frequency say 631Mhz = one MUX, say MUX1 which has within it 6 or more channels (BBC1 and lots of others), In this case the tuners selects a MUX NOT a channel.
As a Topfield owner, I frequently edit recordings and burn them to DVD. A number of websites claim the Icecrypt can export recordings to a PC in TRP format, where they can presumably be watched or edited. Could you tell me if this is the case, and if so does it apply to HD files as well as SD? All the Freeview HD PVRs I've seen up until now prevent the export of HD files because they've been encrypted.
One of these?
I can do all that and drink a pint and do a somersault all at the same time. ;-)
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