Panasonic DMR-BS850 Freesat Blu-ray & HDD Recorder Comments

No mention is made as to the omission of media server and PC/Mac connectivity utilising the ethernet port. At the current price it is the one one feature (on top of the already long list) I would have expected. Without this the unit needs to be pitched at a price point more like £700, given you could make a dual tuner media centre PC with Blu-ray burner for similar money.

This is certainly a technical tour de force (for now) and there's no doubt it's great to see an additional FreeSat recorder despite the excellent Humax HDR being available for over six months. My only reservation is in the Panasonic user interface which TR seems to love but after my comments on their EX78 and EX79 DVD Recorders, is not as good as it should be.

What is the on screen information like when viewing a disc/programme? Also, the screen shots appear to be in the wrong aspect ratio or at least the images are squashed as people's faces look stretched. Is this the TV, Recorder or something else?

It certainly seems to be a grand machine and though it's hard to objectively criticise the price of this one without having one to try out, i would intially say it does sound extremely expensive! Granted, when DVD and VCR recorders first hit our markets they were of a similar price, and i've little doubt that even in these 'credit crunch' times, they'll always be your first adopters who are willing to pay what i would describe as 'silly' money for these machines.Don't get me wrong, i'm very pleased to see the market steering this way, especially with Freesat and i sincerely hope it continues and progresses ( if only because i'm a staunch Sky subscription avoider on price & principle). However, if the market is going to succeed this way, in my opinion broadcasters definately need to allow at least 'record to disk once' tags on their HD broadcasts and more manufacturers need to follow suit with this sort of gadgetry if only to provide decent competition and force market prices down.That's of course aside from the fact that Freesat needs to adopt a lot more HD channels!I don't see Sony ( pioneers of the Blue Ray system) announcing a similar machine to the UK market yet!! My conclusion - bring these machines to a more sensible price, i.e. around £500 bearing in mind the Humax PVR is available for around £260, albeit online, and maybe more people would be tempted to go out and purchase?

I wonder if you can plug in an external hard drive via USB and transfer files out to it.
Any chance of a pic of the rear ? Is the manual available yet ?
Great review btw !

It's a shame this Panasonic uses the same plasticky remote control shipped with their £300 HDD machines; for a flagship product, priced at a premium I'd expect better.

On the plus side, the guide seems to have dispensed with the tacky adverts that take 1/3 of screen real estate on the older models (hint to marketers: adverts that force a reduction of functionality irritate people. Irritated people don't buy your products).

The UI still looks very 1990s - but that's true of every HDD recorder I've seen.

Looks like a spectacular machine,just a pity about the price. But I guess come Christmas this may have dropped a couple of hundred quid or so(I hope). The lowest (HL) recording mode looks particularly spectacular, and this above all appears to have impressed all of those who have had a demo of the machine. I've been compressing 'raw' BBCHD files recorded on the Mac with Handbrake (x264 codec) at 4.5mb for a while now with very good results. But the encoding usually takes a good few hours for an hour's worth, so something as quick as the BS750 / 850 would be very welcome. Get the price down Panasonic!

Another thing, do people still archive recordings to disc any more? What's the point when hard drives are so much more capacious and accessible. I can understand the occassional copy to lend a programme to a friend who missed it but there's not much benefit otherwise. Besides, how much do blank Blu Ray discs cost?

Danny P: many thanks for the great review and prompt replies. Just need the PDF of the manual now !

Excellent review, very helpfull.

I wonder if the fact that it can convert DTS HD Master Audio and Dolby TrueHD in to PCM format means I can send these soundtracks over the optical digital out to an older style amp (without HDMI)? Would this would mean no need to upgrade an amp for the new Hi-Def audio formats?

If not, then the omission of analogue audio outputs is a real downside.

Even though the price is bound to fall with time, I'm getting on a bit so will probably rush out and buy one as soon as they become available. Before I do that, however, I need to check it will do what I want, which is to transfer the content of my HD tapes, made on a Sony FX1 camcorder, to Blu-Ray discs. The Sony standard is I think 1080i whereas the Panasonic spec. mentions only 1080p - is this problem and should I perhaps wait for Sony to come up with a similar machine?

I understand the Panasonic Blu-Ray recorder DMR-BS850 has a DV connection on the front for camcorder connection. I have a canon Hi def (1080i)cam with hdv/dv out. Will the panasonic record in hi def to hard drive from its front dv connection? no mention was made in the above excellent,extensive and in depth review about the recording of hi def home movies etc from an external cam. can someone let me know? many thanks!

Operations manual in PDF format now available from Panasonic website - essential reading to find out what it really does. Excellent idea for manufacturers to put their manuals on the website - saves having to get a shop assistant to drag one out from the box.

Having quickly read the manual it seems clear that the "editing" functions are like earlier Panasonic DVD HDD recorders very basic indeed, limited to deletion of sections (perfect for removal of commercial breaks however). It is unable to alter the sequence of material within a "Title" also audio and video edit points are permanently tied together and audio edits leaving a hole (1 second? of silence) at edit points. OK for removing unwanted sections in a camcorder recording but not to edit it in the normal sense. Perhaps Panasonic could incorporate basic non-linear editing suitable for domestic use - titling perhaps also - on a subsequent model - at another 10-20% on the price it would be worth it. For some reason manufacturers of consumer HD camcorders have washed their hands of selling basic HD editors leaving purchasers to fend for themselves rather than as in earlier days being one stop shops.

I have one of these and it seems great - but cannot seem to copy Mpeg (***.mpg) files from a USB stick to the HDD? Am I missung something?
Thanks.

Hello all,

I am a bit naive about the DMR-BS850...

1) How do I get freesat from the DMR-BS850?
2) Do I simply link it to a satellite then I can I watch FREESAT?
3) Should I already have FREESAT before buying the DMR-BS850?

I've had one for about a month now and I'm quite disappointed. It is really slow switching from EPG to HDD index to channel selected. A quick view of the HDD index takes you about a minute to get you back to what you were watching live before.

The Setup menu is buried beneath about 4 layers of options which was a little tiresome if you need to change anything.

The words "Radio Channel" burn the centre of your plasma screen when a satellite radio channel is selected even with screen saver set to "ON". Who thought of that one! I spoke to Panny and they say this can't be swithced off and if I don't want screen burn to turn down the brightness on my TV everytime I want to listen to radio. Really user friendly stuff. This sounds like a lab testing feature which has not been removed from consumer models. I'm not sure if they can do something about this with a software update.

If you record consecutive programs you are stuck with those 2 channels for the few minutes either side of when the second program starts recording. This is quite annoying if you are watching the cricket but your wife is recording Corrie and Eastenders! This may not be unique to this Panny though as I've only had a single tuner PVR before. I still manage to get round this by using the TV's third tuner but had hoped not to have to do this anymore.

There is no EPG search function. The Humax PVR let's you search for program name (and actor, director, I think) and it will find all programs in the next week or so. The Panny has a basic filter (e.g. sport, movies) but even that doesn't work very well. I assume this is because the broadcasters don't send out the required tabs.

Skipping through commercial breaks is also quite laborious. You either have to "manual skip" x 5 to get through 5 minutes and then FF or rewind to the point you want. Or simply fast forward. Chapter skip does not seem to work. Again not sure if that is the Panny or the broadcasters. My previous Sony was much more slick although with about a 50% success rate depedning on the channel recorded.

On the plus side, it let's you archive recordings into folders on the HDD which help uncluter the index.

Generally I like this unit. When it displays stuff on the screen, it looks really good - and bear in mind that is what you will spend the majority of your time doing.

Sadly, the software interface feels like it was programmed in the way the physical unit has probably been built - made up of different technologies bolted together. The interface is, indeed, clumsy and slow and could take a leaf out of the more intuitive TIVO or even the childishly simple SKY interface. It surprises me that large companies do so much work to get an amazing box of electronics to market and then spoil it by slapping on a really poor interface (and a very poor manual - which, by the way, you should download before you buy it to ensure it does what you think it should because as some of these reviews indicate it fails to do some things you would have thought were no brainers).

Setting up is really simple - well done to Panasonic for getting that bit right. I was really relieved to find out I could just unscrew my twin satellite feeds from that awful SKY box and screwed them into this unit. Be aware though that the box comes with no SCART nor HDMI leads. It also doesnt even have one free blank disc either so you should pre-order some of those too (I would add that Panasonic do offer you a couple of free discs but instead of putting them in the box, they get you to jump through hoops by sending off a large SAE in another large envelope with a photocopy of your receipt to a company who will send you them - I suspect this is in order to get your address and personal data so they can market to you later - poor, poor show Panasonic)

Lastly, I would mention a possible inherent fault that has meant be swapping my unit over only to find my new unit has the same problem. When I switch to Viera Cast (The Internet Module that allows certain widgets e.g. YouTube to access the net) I lose all sound so I can watch a YouTube Video but its silent. Although there are only three widgets available (excluding weather and share prices) - YouTube, Picasa and Tagesschau (a German Streaming News Channel), oddly I only get sound when I switch to Tagesschau but it switches off again as soon as I try and watch a YouTube video. This bug was denied by the Panasonic Helpline but acknowledged by Panasonic when my local dealer spoke to "their support". They have tried to blame my Virgin Media ISP but, as bad as Virgin Media is, I don't think they have a racist firewall that only lets through German IP traffic but not English. Also the system pings as you switch between menus are not dictated by IP traffic and they go silent as well. I will put up with this - but you may not want to - so beware!

So to sum up, great technology, great picture - crudely bolted together and rushed to market which might give you a few nasty surprises unless you checkit out thoroughly first.