By Cliff Jones
Reviewed: 31 Jan 2011
Garmin Forerunner 410 Black GPS Watch With Extras
Garmin Forerunner 410 GPS Sportswatch Running Watch Speed/Distance/Pace Monitor
Garmin Forerunner 410 GPS Watch ONLY
Garmin Forerunner 410 GPS Enabled Sports Watch
Garmin Forerunner 410 GPS Fitness Watch + Heart Rate Monitor HRM + USB ANT
USB ANT Stick for Garmin Fitness Devices
@Cliff - I have a HTC Desire with SportsTracker Pro and a Bluetooth HR band (Zephyr HxM). I stick the phone in an arm band and off I go. I would be curious to get a review of this solution as (1) the screen is better (2) the Sportstracker website sounds better and (3) the HR band is only USD$99 and the software £5 on Android market so its cheaper (well, ignoring the phone cost but I am taking that as a "sunk cost" because I already had it).
Thanks for the review.Been running with the Forerunner 410 for a few weeks now. I find the bezel to be beyond excruciating. Maybe mine is faulty (or perhaps I have faulty fingers)? In operation it reminds me a little of the touch-sensitive click-wheel on my 2004-vintage iPod, except for the not-working-at-all-predictably aspect.I can spend a couple of minutes before a run trying to change a single setting while it randomly registers my presses as short taps, long taps, scrolls in either direction, or doesn't register them at all. It even (in the dry... I know about its problems in the wet) registers spurious presses a second or two after I've taken my fingers off the bezel.I guess not everybody's experience with the bezel is as bad, but I think it's supposed to be a distinctive, premium feature whereas I find it fiendishly aggravating and would rather have the buttons of the cheaper models.That said, the auto-scroll feature does resolve the problem of the unusable bezel and wanting to see your stats during the run.I also share your annoyance at finding Garmin Connect down. It's not okay to design a system where your users entrust their hard-won data to the cloud and then give the cloud temperamental availability. But that aside, I was very impressed with Garmin Connect, and hope there won't be too much more downtime in the future.And the watch as a whole is, otherwise, bloody brilliant... but the Bezel is very hard to forgive.
@sthair - In the next review I'm going to go into more detail comparing the MiCoach app on the iPhone to the GPS on a sport watch. There's quite a variation in the tracking which makes a bit difference over a greater distance. I would also like to look at Android apps. Apps have the advantage of being far cheaper and incorporating training plans, voice coaching and better sharing options right from your handset.@simonm - It lets down an excellent watch. To be fair, I think I'm using it more because I CAN, because it's there. If it weren't, I wouldn't miss it, but I think Garmin have created a rod for their own backs, because they can't please everyone, and all-weather, stats-hungry runners will be irritated by it. But there are ways around it, as you say. As for Garmin Connect, it is an excellent service, which records stats which the manufacturer's basic watch models don't report on. For example, if you're running with a 210, you can look up altitude information on your climbs even though the watch can't display that information while you're running. I'd like Garmin Connects to have training plans which can be uploaded to the watch and activate alarms to remind you what run you need to do as you edge towards your goal. Either way, we're in an exciting time for sport tech and we hope to review more kit soon.
I've got a similar comment to sthair except I use an iphone 4 and runkeeper pro (pro version is free on itunes if you are quick). Here is a route I run fairly regularly http://runkeeper.com/user/Davi.... I have noticed slight gps tracking error but you can manually edit your routes too. Posts to Facebook, nifty speed and altitude graph as well.I'm not sure about a score of ten for features. Have you seen the Ki Fit (BodyBugg in the US). It has/measures an Accelerometer, heat flux, Galvanic Skin Response(sweat I think!) and skin device. Can I have all of the above and gps and a heart rate measurement please. I guess that would be 11/10 for features...
David - Good point, and great job getting the miles in. The Runkeeper Pro free trial period for January was extended indefinitely in the US and the trial period notification in UK iTunes in the UK has been removed, so I assume they're going to keep it free. Posts to Facebook is definitely something MiCoach should incorporate.The KiFit is a weight loss management and clever though it is, it's about tracking more than training and it's not a sport watch. Rating features is always a tough call, because it's based on what's around on the market at the time. I've no doubt better products will come along, but at the time of writing the Garmin 410 has everything you would expect and more.
Something like this is what I would find extremely useful for my sport as training is very much HR based. But as my sport is swimming Im a little stuck. I've tried a number of chest band + watch combo's and none work.Its fine if your going to do head up granny breastroke all session, but if you're swimming properly and a serious lick it all just falls apart. Literally. No matter how tight you have the chest strap, it will end up round your waist thanks to drag from the water. Especially off of turns where you have peak speed and becuase of using a streamline position, your chest changes shape allowing water to get in underneith the strap. Bulky watches dont help either, often just damaging your feel of the water a little bit. 100% of the time I end up going back to good old fashioned finger on your pulse and count it for 6 seconds and x 10 (or count for 10 and times by 6)
I've got a Garmin 305 and really happy with it.I see nothing in here that makes me want to upgrade other than it being a bit smaller and less silly looking, but I'm a fat lad running so I think I have more to worry about that a silly looking watch.Also the 305 is still available for a little over £100 http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00...This works really well with the Garmin Connect website too.
I bought my husband a garmin 210 2 years ago and it stopped working after 3 months. Never got round to sending it back. It does not pick up the 5th signal. It turned out to be a very expensive everyday timepiece. Very disappointed.
I have had the 410 for 4 days and regret buying it.
While it has a great deal of data and the computer based Training Center is great, the controls are terrible and the instructions inadequate.
Once it is set up the way you want it, it is easy to access the 3 fields and heartbeat, but changing anything is a nightmare..The heart monitor belt is thoughtlessly designed with the connection at your back so it is needlessly inconvenient to put on and off.
The recharging unit is like a Meccano set and falls to bits if it is bumped, so you can find that the unit has failed to recharge.
The online data program has a good map but is hard to use.
The 410 has great potential ruined by the computer nerds who designed its interface. If you have a lot of patience and do not mind wasting time setting it, you might find it acceptable, but for most users there is likely to be something better out there.
touch dial is extremely sensitive. Drops of sweat change it from timing to pace calculator. Sometimes get lost in the menus and can't get back to simple training use. Takes forever to find the satellite. Sometimes 10 min. Out and back runs demonstrate inaccuracy. run 3.0 km, turn around and its 3.25 km back home.
This week drops of sweat managed to change the Training 1 data fields from Time Run to Last Lap Speed. (that's pretty deep in the menu tree to get with sweat drops, but this is the Garmin 410) In my 40 years of running, i never met anyone who trained based on kilometers per hour running speed. If that one person in the world is out there and uses this feature, I am happy for you, but its a total waste of space on an already over populated options list. Can't wait to get a simpler GPS watch. I just want time, distance and fast GPS capture.
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