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morsch

12:34 AM on 2 February, 2010

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Nice coincidence. I spent the last few nights racking my brains which 24" display to buy to replace my cheap but disappointing TN-panel BenQ. I was leaning towards the Dell -- mostly because it looks the nicest (but see below), and this review reinforces the notion.

It's an odd situation though. The HP LP247w and the U2410 are VERY similar. It's the same panel from LG.Display, the only difference in terms of image quality being the control logic. The Dell apparently is a bit better in that regard. However, LG.Display apparently has some QA problems, and from what I can tell, both the Dell and the HP sometimes have tinting issues, where a white screen has a light touch of different colors in different regions of the display. It's hard to tell how many of the displays are affected by the tinting, I assume it's fairly low, anyway.

The dithering problem the review mentions pops up frequently and seems to be a bug in the Dell firmware. It's fixed in the A01 revision, which so far is only shipping in the US. The firmware update somehow got on the net though, and many people have flashed their A00 displays to get rid of the dithering. Flashing a *display* (with a leaked upgrade, no less) is not everyone's cup of tea though, and if you brick your display in the progress your on your own.

Here in Germany, both the HP and the Dell are virtually the same price. Dell itself charges a hefty premium (at the moment, with Dell you never know when they suddenly put in on special at a 20% discount). Official Dell re-distributors sell it for about the same price as the HP. There's also a display by Philips, the 240PW9ES, which apparently *also* uses the same LG.Display panel and is quite a bit cheaper, at the cost of having fewer inputs.

Looking forward to seeing the display in person, I've had just about enough of this TN display.

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dustofnations

1:16 AM on 2 February, 2010

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Before considering shelling out such a large amount of money, I would strongly suggest browsing the following forum thread which details a significant issue that many of the people who have bought the monitor have suffered; http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18049798

The issue is a colour uniformity problem, with a noticeable pink or green tint towards one of the corners of the monitor. It is not correctable via tweaking settings, as the problem is only apparent in a limited area of the screen, and any change applies to the entire screen.

I realise that the above thread is rather long, but it is certainly worth browsing through it and looking at the images people have posted of the tint issues.

Interestingly none of the sites that have reviewed the monitor seem to have encountered the tint issue, which suggests that Dell (or other supplier) have been cherry picking the monitors they send out for review.

There are a large number of posts on dells own forums, and HardOCP about the issue. The Dell team responded saying that the manufacturer claims that even though the tint is present it is still "within specification tolerances".

see: http://en.community.dell.com/forums/p/19302919/19622169.aspx#19622169

http://www.hardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1441159

There have been some reports that the tinting issue seems to be significantly reduced with the new A01 revisions of the monitor (in some cases). Can you report which revision the one you have for testing is?

Anyway, just thought it was worth letting people know before they splashed ~£450

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Hans Gruber

1:47 AM on 2 February, 2010

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Thanks to morsch and dustofnations, this is why I like the internet, helpful information from intelligent, conscientious sources.

I'm not in the market for a new monitor just yet but like to keep an eye out and these kinds of quality issues (and manufacturer's response) trouble me greatly.

It's telling what Dell's reaction has been to this seemingly very wide spread issue (arguing the tinting's within tolerances and they won't exchange monitors displaying this issue). In comparison, HP seem to be the one to go for as it's said they will change the screen should it exhibit the tint issue. I'm going by post no. 601 of dustofnation's overclocker's forum thread so don't know if they actually do:

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=15611703&postcount=601

Hearing about this problem really puts me off buying anything. I don't want to have to be some kind of genius boning up on every technical issue just so I can argue my point more effectively should I need to deal with defective gear - it's situations like this that you wish consumer legislation would grow some teeth so proper quality control was carried out.

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Ebbesen

11:29 AM on 2 February, 2010

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Yes, thanks for bringing up the tinting issues, and pointing out the fact that Dell shrugs it off with a "within manufacturer specifications".

Also of course, thanks to Ardjuna for a well written review, but the tinting discussion makes me wonder: Where do you guys at TrustedReviews get your review samples from?

With most of the hardware being reviewed here it won't matter, a Nokia N97 is a Nokia N97 is a NokiaN97. However, LCD panel manufacturers apparently continue to struggle with QA issues, so allowing the manufacturer to cherry pick the sample does reduce the value of the review somewhat.

(Yes I bought the LP2475w and was less than impressed)

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morsch

12:41 PM on 2 February, 2010

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If your TFT shows the tinting issue, send it back within the cooling-off period (I think that's what it's called in the UK?). That's what I'll do; it's why such a thing exists in the first place.

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PoisonJam

2:32 PM on 2 February, 2010

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Dell have by far and away the best return policies of all the mid-range display manufacturers. Any kind of fault you describe they effectively offer you a swap from what I've read.

I doubt my next screen will be a Dell as they don't have the perfect fit screen for my needs but I wish they did...

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miha

2:48 PM on 2 February, 2010

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@all: Dunno whats the proper technical term for it so I'm gonna describe what I believe might be one of the culprits causing "colour bleeding" that you all describe can happen; I've learned what it seems now ages ago during the rule of CRT monitors from more than one repairman that it's actually useful to leave a newly bought appliance to "settle down" or "warm up" a bit before plugging it to the electricity, especially during winter times. It has something to do with liquid capacitors used in them that can perform out of specified range if they were shaken and/or cooled too much then heated up rapidly. Unless you're using heavy-duty equipment made for harsh environments and components in it carefully selected to withstand that, switching it on too soon after it was transported in the back of your car (and in cold of winter) can cause liquid capacitors to "misalign", or whatever the word is. This could by why some experience this problem, while others don't. Just a thought as I'm pretty sure those type of capacitors are still widely used instead of ceramic (solid?) ones, and please don't be too harsh on my choice of words to describe it, I'm not an engineer ;)

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Ardjuna

3:44 PM on 2 February, 2010

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Some interesting and productive comments so far, thanks everyone. No, we didn't notice colour tinting on our review sample, otherwise we would obviously have mentioned it. Our samples come from various sources but in this case it was from Dell direct.

As to the A01 firmware, we were aware of it but could not get any official details before publishing. I am currently in communication with Dell about it and will get the details to you as soon as I can - it would be great if it did solve the dithering issue.

@Ebbesen:

Sorry to hear about the LP2475w - did you end up getting a replacement that worked?

@PoisonJam:

What kind of screen ARE you looking for, out of interest?

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smodd

4:46 PM on 2 February, 2010

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Well in Cnet they talk about the pink issue, i was hoping that manufacturers start producing 2,35:1 cinema widescreens by now instead 16/9 or 16/10 aspect ratio, also 120Hz capables for 3D and so on, appears that manufacturers take a time to start changing their schedules to update what costumers want...

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Xiphias

5:21 PM on 2 February, 2010

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@smodd: I don't think web browsing would work very well on a 2.35:1 screen if they follow the current trend of cutting down 16:10 resolutions.

Anyone looking at this bear in mind that screens based on LG's 27" 2560x1440 IPS panel are coming and if they make it sub-£600 they'll be a tempting alternative.

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morsch

5:36 PM on 2 February, 2010

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The 27" 2560x1440 displays like the Dell U2711 are extremely attractive, but I don't see them being available for less than 600 GBP. The RRP for the Dell appears to be 1050 USD, so maybe something 800 GPB/900 EUR? That's considering the VAT and the usual price hike we seem to get in Europe. Even if it's available for less from dealers other than Dell, that's a lot more than 600 quid.

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Xiphias

7:23 PM on 2 February, 2010

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Well the current Dell 27" has varied in price between ~£450 and ~£650 (R.R.P. 999 USD) so I think it could potentially happen.

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smodd

12:50 AM on 3 February, 2010

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Xiphias if you have such widescreen is more productive cuz you can use half the screen to web-browsing and half to music, exploring windows, excel, word, etc, so this kind of screens increase your space and productivity, and 2560x1440 is still 16/9 aspect ratio, 2,35:1 = something like 2560*1088...at 26" could be a good start...

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Pepperrell

12:26 PM on 3 February, 2010

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Perhaps not the ideal thread for a general comment, but it echoes an early comment and is of direct relevance to Dell. I have an XPS1330 and over the last two weeks have had the LED backlit screen changed FOUR times. The original failed, the first replacement (Samsung) had an awful purple tinge which proved impossible to remove. The third screen (RJ) had what appeared to be a manufacturing fault, in that the LED array wasn't pointing in the same direction, so that in the top left and bottom right they leaked light when they were supposed to be black - in fact, it proved to be impossible to see one tone from any angle at all. The fourth screen is fine. The engineers get sealed packs of the parts they need, and are not able to test these. Dell's quality control of parts would appear to be poor (2 out of 3 screens faulty out of the box), and manufacturers would appear to be having problems maintaining standards on LED lines. I have been told that they are looking into the issue, but I know that it will take more than just a grumble from me.

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PoisonJam

12:32 PM on 3 February, 2010

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@Ardjuna: I'm holding out for a 22"-24" non-TN with a vertical res that is a worthwhile jump over my 1280x1024 (1200px would be great) that also isn't wide-gamut or too expensive and gets a decent review from a source I trust (TFT Central, Prad, yourselves )... I'd possibly pay up to £500 at a real push for the perfect screen, but less would be better. Perfect colour accuracy isn't necessary, just decent-good would do.

NEC's £300 EA231WMi would be ideal if it had a higher vertical res. That would also make it more expensive but I could deal with that. I'm probably not being very realistic but I'll continue to hold out in hope :(

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PoisonJam

1:36 PM on 3 February, 2010

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@Pepperrell: Were they by any chance sending you refurbs/returns?

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Xiphias

3:54 PM on 3 February, 2010

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@smodd: The horizontal resolution solely determines what you can fit on screen so you can have exactly the same things side by side on a 2560x1600 screen than you can on a 2560x1440 or 2560x1088 screen, the only difference being is how high they are. If you don't want the extra 500 pixels for your windows you can always use them for something else.

Of course, a 2560x1088 screen is only 2.8 megapixels rather than the 3.7 of a 2560x1440 screen so it's going to be a fair bit cheaper, but for two applications side by side buying two 1280x1024 screens will give you virtually the same resolution (2560x1024) for an even cheaper price.

A 2560x1088 screen does suit certain games and films but more resolutions will only drive costs higher and I'd rather have IPS in a few different resolutions than lots of choice of resolution but using TN screens.

@PoisonJam: Well there's plenty of 24" 1920x1200 screens at £400-450 and Dell still do the 1600x1200 2007FP for £300, although I don't know how it compares in quality (it's IPS but originally came out in 2007).

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Roddy

6:42 PM on 3 February, 2010

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I bought one of these for photo editing but have been a bit disappointed. The factory calibration was the main selling point but this only applies to the sRGB and AdobeRGB preset modes. The default standard colour mode is miles out. The measured gamma is 1.7 giving a rather washed out look with shadows too light and highlights saturated. Trouble is if you correct this in the graphics card, the other modes are then wrong. The calibrated modes do seem about right if a bit clinical. I have got round it by setting up 3 profiles for the graphics card in ATI Catalyst, one for the calibrated modes, one for the standard mode and one for the custom mode - each with different gamma correction. Although there are lots of adjustments provided in the custom mode, gamma isn't one of them.

Otherwise it's OK, I don't have the pink - green tint problem and there are no dead pixels. Compared to my previous monitor overall colour is maybe slightly green although whites and greys look OK. The wider gamut gives brighter reds and greens but similar blues. It's 1920 X 1200 too - not 1080. This is better for photos, a 3:2 format is a better fit and stretches OK to full screen in most cases. I find the touch sensitive buttons erratic and would prefer old fashioned clicky ones but the menus, stand and general build quality are very good.

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smodd

11:45 PM on 3 February, 2010

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Xiphias i was refering to the 16/10 aspect ratio you mentioned not the 16/9 27" Dell Screen, so 1920x1200 screen is already obsolete you want it or not, the only way you can get a good screen like that in the future is cuz its aimed to Graphical Designers with low response times Ips screens, i currently own a Samsung XL2370 16/9 and yeah its a TN Panel but i had previously a Premium MVA Panel and the colors look FAR BETTER (96% AbodeRGB according to Cnet), with low response time of less 1 frame per second of lag, no ghost...so such 16/10 old fashion screens belong to profesionals, maybe when they start using the three LED screens with low response times the transition of profesionals to this kind of panel will be a natural choice cuz thay achieve a 113% over AdobeRGB result and therefore moving to the denitive 2,35 aspect ratio will gain their hearts too.

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PoisonJam

10:44 AM on 4 February, 2010

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@Xiphias: Care to name a couple that meet my requirements, then? :)

Where can I find the older Dell models? I'm sure they were PVA panels, also.

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Ardjuna

12:44 PM on 4 February, 2010

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@PoisonJam:

So if I am reading your comment correctly, the only thing that the U2410 has that's different to your ideal monitor is its colour gamut? I really wouldn't hold back on this count, most 'oversaturation issues' related to this are easily fixed by changing the colour settings within presets.

@Roddy:

Why WOULDN'T you use the sRGB or AdobeRGB presets for photo-editing? Unless, that is, your monitor also suffers from the dithering issue ours did...

Still no word from Dell on what the situation will be with that firmware update, btw.

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PoisonJam

1:59 PM on 4 February, 2010

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@Ardjuna: Probably... but less expensive would be nice, too :p

If I HAD to buy a monitor with my own money today it would still be the 23" NEC... It's significantly cheaper, meaning I could realistically add a second one to my set-up a little while down the line..

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Roddy

5:39 PM on 4 February, 2010

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@Ardjuna:

I generally use the full colour gamut to edit and display my photos locally. I only use the sRGB mode to see what they will look like to others on the web. This worked OK on my previous monitor which is a bit brighter than sRGB but on this one the difference is much greater. Yes, I do get the dithering problem in sRGB mode but it's only noticeable in very dark areas. There's no reason why the gamma and white balance shouldn't be correct in all modes but it isn't. Maybe I didn't fully understand the implications of a wide gamut monitor but I expected contrast and white balance to be the same in all modes, just more saturation in the wide gamut mode. That's pretty much what I have now that I have set up the profiles.

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Xiphias

8:08 PM on 4 February, 2010

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@PoisonJam: I hadn't realise how much the options had shrunk back down since a few months ago, it looks like the last of the old models have all been cleaned out. The only 1920x1200 screen I can see right now is the upcoming HP ZR24w which is 1920x1200 and sRGB.

The 1600x1200 2007FP is availible directly from Dell as well as from places like PCBuyIt (who specify the panel and revision). It's a current model not a previous one, they just haven't updated it recently.

@Roddy: I guess I'm missing something but why not just have your image editing program show the image in sRGB? If you've measured the gamma you've obviously got a calibrator to profile your monitor with. Oh, and TFT Central gives good measurements of sRGB mode gamuts and calibrations for the monitors they review.

@smodd: What? Aspect ratio has got nothing to do with panel type or gamut.

I couldn't find any mention of 96% aRGB on CNET but xbitlabs measured it as being standard sRGB. I don't know what Premium PVA panel screen you had but if it was old it may have faded and if it was new it was probably a wide gamut one so I'm not that surprised your new screen has better colours as it's sRGB which 99% of the stuff you're likely using it for was designed for (including web pages, windows, games, DVD and blu-ray).

As for LEDs, I understand they shift colour far more over their lifetime than CCFLs which is probably why most professional monitors are sticking to known technology for now.

Wide Gamut is something that will eventually happen, now that the technology is here, but right now the situation is just a mess. There are two main problems:

1. Wide gamut is being pushed on 8- or 6-bit monitors so instead of adding more colours it's just spreading the colours further apart giving less subtlety to things like skin tones.

2. There's nothing to compensate for the above problem for existing images designed for sRGB so instead of the colours intended they get pushed apart so skin tones get obvious red tints and grass becomes far too bright green.

To fix number 2 it's a case of software support, some programs like Photoshop already support it and images can specify which gamut they're for but there's still a lot of work to do - for example most media players won't translate to sRGB.

To fix the first 10-bit monitors are being developed and coming down in price. Just a couple of days ago NEC announced their new PA241W 10-bit screen for ~£800, significantly cheaper than the previous cheapest £2000 one (The HP Dreamcolour that TR has reviewed). I'm surprised TR hasn't announced it, I felt it was fairly big monitor news.

p.s. This cutting edge 10-bit screen is a 1920x1200 24" IPS panel.

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PoisonJam

9:52 PM on 4 February, 2010

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@Xiphias: Oh, you actually meant the 2007, I figured you meant to type 2407! :D I had no idea you could still get quality 4:3 screens with such a res. I'm definitely not adverse to 4:3 as the widescreen switch actually caused me headaches - having to spend more just to get higher vertical res and trying to fit 2 on a desk.

Going to read some reviews but at that price and width buying 2 over time is realistic. I'd rather have 2x1600 than trying to squeeze 2 documents side-by-side on a 1920 res! Know of any other 4:3 screens of similar res still available to compare with? Thanks!

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smodd

10:31 PM on 4 February, 2010

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Xiphias think again my friend here´s your so call "better so far IPS 10bit monitor" aka Dell U2410 reaching just 94% of the adobergb result against the Samsung XL2370 96% AdobeRGB result in cnet...read DisplayMate Results

http://reviews.cnet.com/lcd-monitors/dell-ultrasharp-u2410/4505-3174_7-33772972-2.html?tag=txt;page

So yeah your IPS 10bit panel was beated by a TN Panel, it´s called technological advances my friend and LED are the way to go, better results and less energy consumption plus better response times.

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morsch

11:04 PM on 4 February, 2010

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It's always hilarious when people get defensive about their investments. Anyway, you (ie smodd) apparently didn't read the post by Xiphias correctly. The Dell monitor has one of those wide-gamut 8-bit panels, although from what I understand the processing is done at a higher bit depth, which is good. The brand-new NEC PA241W has a 10-bit panel. Of course that is of no concern to you because your EUR 275 display sports a better color rendition than displays targeted at graphics professionals anyway.

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smodd

12:38 AM on 5 February, 2010

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It wasnt about my investment, was about he/she saying about IPS are the cutting edge thing and no matter what technics manufacturers use, the point is that the LED TN panel beat the IPS and just for you know their own model Dell LED TN G2410 beat in performance their IPS panels too, so stop acusing of personal preferences is about LED and their performance that matters, even are better in response times, and no ghost things like in IPS often happen.

You can consider the U2711 but cost the triple of a LED and only gives 98% of AdobeRGB Test, for that price i would expect a full NTSC accuracy (AdobeRGb = 92% NTSC). =P

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dustofnations

1:46 AM on 5 February, 2010

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Ardjuna - The update is indeed designed to resolve the dithering problem (as indicated on the Dell forums)

Points of interest;

- This is from the same family of LG panels in some of the new Apple displays which are causing no end of troubles with tinting

see:

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=824940

-The initial response from Dell is that they would not be shipping their new monitors with the AO1 firmware, instead the only way to get it would be if your monitor was returned for repair, and you got a different refurb - whereupon they would put the AO1 firmware on (Yes, absolutely bizarre). However latterly the Mexico facility seems to have been shipping directly with A01.

- Credit to Apple, they seem to be doing something about the problem rather than simply saying "within spec, nothing to do about it".

- Another point, in the Dell forums (http://en.community.dell.com/forums/p/19302919/19622169.aspx), they point out that they are willing to give refunds for the tint issue if you are upset about it.

Most of this is sourced from Dell forums (particularly http://en.community.dell.com/forums/p/19302919/19622169.aspx), and OCUK & HardOCP U2410 threads (see my original post for links)

The real source of the problem seems to be LG for both Dell and Apple, so we'll see what happens. I suspect they might beat LG with a stick until they improve their processes and/or QC.

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Xiphias

2:35 AM on 5 February, 2010

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@PoisonJam: NEC do their LCD2090UXi but that's closer to £500 instead of £300, The HP LP2065 at a similar price to the Dell has been both IPS and A-MVA in the past, I've no idea what type the current panel is but it's worth investigating.

These monitors are usable in portrait mode unlike TNs so depending on your use you could also consider two or three of the smaller widescreen non-TNs in portrait mode, two Dell 2209WAs for £460 would give you 2100x1680 or three Samsung F2080s for £540 would give you 2700x1600. Obviously such individually narrow screens will be totally unsuitable for some uses but I thought I'd suggest it in case it suits you.

@smodd: It'll be wonderful when all the required support is in place to take advantage of wider gamuts and more comprehensive colour spaces but right now covering more of Adobe RGB is as much a problem as a benefit. Apart from people who prefer the new, not intended, colours (which is clearly quite a few) the big audience is those who need to work with print as Adobe RGB contains the CMYK colours while sRGB doesn't. And anyone who needs it for that reason isn't going to be using a TN because a colour differs across the screen vertically on TN screens (the effect is most prominent in dark scenes and in pink and purple).

LED is a type of backlighting and can be applied to any type of LCD, in fact one of the first cheap LED backlit LCDs and the screen that started the naming of Samsung's LED range was the XL24, which was an LED backlit S-PVA. I'd agree that LED will probably find it's way into most screens, lower power consumption is a good thing.

As for the higher DisplayMate score (which has nothing to do with Adobe RGB) it's fairly meaningless trying to rate things with different strengths and weaknesses on a single scale. TNs do have their advantages in cost and response time and they're leading the way in higher framerates with the only 120hz monitors being TNs (although most 120hz TVs are presumably VA/IPS for obvious reasons). The bottom line is that we'll continue to have all type of screens LCD until one overcomes it's disadvantages or they all get replaced by something better. As a gaming who wants both fast response and perfectly rendered skies and floors I'm at the front of the crowd awaiting that day.

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PoisonJam

9:17 AM on 5 February, 2010

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Xiphias: "...or they all get replaced by something better" - OLED? :D

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smodd

4:15 PM on 5 February, 2010

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Xiphias this screen doesn´t have the pink issues you mentioned, the IPS panels are having this problems, they even have to bring a software update to solve other issues, so once you buy it is already with problems, this screen doesnt have this issues, so for now the best option is going TN+LED cuz hits the right price point, no matter if you can use IPS with 240Hz TV panels like you mention is better because doesnt cost you a fortune and represent the colors better if you are sitting correctly in front.

The only advantage of a IPS panel now is not price, no response time, no free ghosting effects, no energy efficient so no money savings cuz is expensive to support it, it just have better angles, and if only you will use two screens side by side is the way to go for professionals, thats it, otherwise TN+LEd hits the smart choice for now my friend, Peace.

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Roddy

1:36 PM on 6 February, 2010

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@Xiphias

What's the point of having a wide gamut monitor and then clamping it down to sRGB? The whole idea is to get more colours to play with! It's useful to have the sRGB and AdobeRGB modes to check what others will see but my photos are displayed on this monitor 90% of the time and I want to be able to use the full palette available to me.

Actually I don't have a calibrator which is why I wanted a factory calibrated monitor in the first place. I have been measuring gamma using images from:

http://www.photoscientia.co.uk/Gamma.htm

and:

http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/

I tried using the profiles published by TFT Central but they only made matters worse with a cold blue - green cast. Obviously these monitors are quite variable. The TFT Central review also complained about problems with the standard and custom modes which is why they produced the profiles. Interestingly they measured similar gammas as I got and couldn't get a calibration on the custom mode. Having corrected the gamma, I'm now quite happy with the standard mode but the custom mode is still a problem. It has a cold greenish colour cast which I can't seem to adjust out without making things pink or yellow looking.

I understand that the extended gamut is mostly in the green so without a custom profile all colours will be stretched into the green somewhat. This sort of shift can't be removed by a simple gamma adjustment which is why the monitor needs calibrating and clearly it hasn't been in this mode.

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morsch

6:50 PM on 7 February, 2010

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At least one Dell reseller in Germany is now selling the U2410 with the A01 revision, so I guess it's now shipping in Europe, too.

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Ardjuna

5:57 PM on 8 February, 2010

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@All:

Still awaiting official word from Dell UK, unfortunately...

@dustofnations:

Thanks for the extra feedback.

@smodd:

TN will never be the best option for those serious about their imaging. As Xiphias said, LED is a backlighting technology and can be applied to any panel technology, including IPS and PVA. Also, the link you posted appears to refer to DisplayMate results, not sRGB colour space? While your display might be superior for movies and gaming (ignoring poor viewing angles), you might want to do some further research on other aspects.

@morsch:

Thanks for that. Any users spotted it in the UK yet?

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smodd

12:08 AM on 9 February, 2010

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Ardjuna: First i was refering to the matter of using LED+TN, the combination of both technologies gets right now better results according to Cnet for the "price", i never said is the best, is the best right now for the price, plus more precise and accurate color according to cnet against ips+cathodode, plus U2410 was saying to reach 96&AdobeRgb color accuracy and in reality the samsung and the Dell LED backlights are getting around those numbers, not the Ips panel, how can it be beaten by a tn panel i dunno, but is about real world performance that matters and in this regard this led +tn panels are getting better results, xiphias refered to an ips+cathodode tube backlight like the best option not ips+led backlight option, so i never said is impossible to combine both, i just said is the best right now for price (LEd+TN), better response times and more energy effciency for the moment, for whats available right now, and finally i was saying that "when" three led backlights start to be used maybe graphical designers start going to this technology or taking more seriously with tn panel cuz can take better color accuracy like the xl20 but more cheaper if is used with a tn panel and "when" graphical designers dont need an extra monitor for the job, just one.

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Ardjuna

12:36 PM on 23 February, 2010

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@smodd:

Thanks for the reply clarifying your point. However, problems like poor viewing angles still apply to TN (image pros can't afford TN levels of colour or even contrast shift), and I still can't see what you're describing in the Cnet link. Higher contrast, yes. More accurate colour, no. Could you provide one that links to the page where they demonstrate that it has "more precise and accurate color against ips+cathodode" please? (maybe I'm just being blind).

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Dell has confirmed that all those affected by the dithering issue will receive the firmware fix/update, but hasn't yet clarified whether this requires sending the monitor back or if they can send out the actual software. Unfortunately I would bet on the former option.

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Ardjuna

3:55 PM on 25 February, 2010

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Finally full official details from Dell on the firmware upgrade:

"Dell Technical Support will determine the appropriate method of installation on a case by case basis. At this time the upgrade is not available for customers to install themselves. Dell encourages all customers experiencing this dithering issue with their U2410 monitors to contact Dell Technical Support directly. Please note that all U2410 monitors which shipped after November 2009 come with this firmware revision pre-installed."

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Ardjuna

3:29 PM on 6 April, 2010

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We've just received an original A00-revision monitor with the new firmware, and after testing we can happily confirm the dithering issue is now history. An addendum to this effect has been added to the review.

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evan fotis

1:44 PM on 28 April, 2010

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Prad.de, tested both revisions and saw no improvement with dithering artifacts in both srgb & adobe rgb, thus

giving a mediocre rating.

Have u tested in srgb mode as well using the new firmware, and what are your impressions?

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was eagerly awaiting the zr24w, but after reading reviews on its disappointing black levels, and can find the 2410 for almost 150euros cheaper than the 2475, i'm seriously looking into this model.

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John60

4:32 AM on 21 May, 2010

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Can anyone comment on how the Dell U2410 compares to the Eizo FX2431? I already have a SyncMaster 245T, what might I stand to gain with either one of these for gaming/film usage?

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Gavroche

8:59 PM on 1 June, 2010

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Well, i upgraded my 4 years old DELL 2405 for this new 2410 (after hesitating with the Apple LED 24 inches... i have a mac mini) to enjoy a wider gammut display for editing my photos (i also own a Gretag colorimeter) ... and, damned, a big green tinted area on the left... but i must say that it's only noticeable with a white background on the entire surface of the screen (as when browsing the web fullscreen... but is not confortable at all unless you want to use your screen to do lumino-therapy) ... So, a bit disappointed even if i'll finally forget this issue because the screen is better than my previous.

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Gavroche

10:41 AM on 4 June, 2010

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I finally called DELL for an exchange (done in less than 24 hours !) The new one has no problem. The first one was assembled in may 2010 in Czech... the second one was assembled in february 2010 (also in Czech)

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Plunder

9:27 AM on 26 June, 2010

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The main benefits for me in this unit is the wide range of position and angle adjustments, a wide range of ports ( I need to access several computers and other feeds). Unlike most LCD panels, changing your angular presentation a few inches does not utterly change the image you see; which was a major reason to avoid them for Photoshop work.

The default settings are a bit bright, but they can be adjusted and it copes well with brighter environments than my Iiyama VisionMaster Pro510 did. I am still concerned that I have jumped too early. Appart from OLED There are at least four new screen technologies coming down the pipe at us in the nest two years; some of them will utterly transform the way we view and experience images and video. For the moment the U2410 is a good general work monitor, with better than average colour-space.

The A02 revision firmware seems fine and there are no duff elements. The touch sensitive switches are not my favourite feature, especially the on-off switch in the corner (designed for looks, not practicality). However, I am glad to have some of my desk back, the Iiyama 510 was a bit big.

Paul

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TommyK

11:29 PM on 10 November, 2010

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I just bought the dell u2711. I assumed that it is exactly the same as the 2410 apart from the screen size, would I be correct? Is it too a good monitor?

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