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Arrrgh, curse my cheap Scottish roots, I will never allow myself to buy these.Lovely, just lovely.
Have you guys ever reviewed the Alessandro MS-1 ? I can't find one! :-o
since when did leather come from sheep?
I have some Grado SR60I which I brought for £80. Are these £170 better than the Grado's?
Since someone decided to use a Sheep instead of a Cow as the raw material for producing Leather, which is a generic term. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...
Surprisingly the US price of $299.99 which is without sales tax, translates to £194 at current exchange rates. So the UK markup is a very reasonable 9.5% (when compared to over 40% for the Grado SR325i headphones). Then again B&W are British.
I was just about to head out to the Apple Store to pick up a pair of these as they been more or less universally praised on the review sites, however checking out head-fi forums they have been almost universally panned. I was after a more portable less fragile version of my fantastic Denon D2000s. I guess an extended listening test is needed.....
Quite simply - I want. Now to decide whether or not my 13 month old son can do without nappies to pay for them...
Dan - I'd say not on a pure sound quality basis, but I'd never wear Grados outside of a house so they're not really comparable.smellster - I would definitely recommend trying for yourself. I've yet to find anyone who didn't like the P5s.Jones - do it! :)
Nice review as always but i would like to know how do they compare sonically with SE530 and also with other headphones like the denons and even the senheisers hd600 or hd595 for instance.
A serious suggestion to TR:For all subjective reviews like testing audio quality, I would really like TR to start comparing products that are available in the same price range. Like Kostas said, we don't know at the end of the review if its better/worse/same as other products in its price range. On its own the TR's ratings don't mean much for products like headphones or speakers.
Well after my previous comment I headed out to the Apple Store and have been listening to the P5s for the past few hours.My initial reaction is of some disappointment. I understand these are meant to be used direct from the ipod and thought they had been tuned that way, and this was my reason for purchase. I don't have my Denon D2000s with me to compare, but unfortunately for the B&Ws I have my Shure se530 IEMs and on lossless and well encoded MP3s straight from the ipod, a side by side comparison shows the se530s as notably better 'in my opinion'. This means the D2000s will also be better, and that's before I bring the iBasso D3 headamp into the equation. The P5s sound muddier in comparison, less dynamic, less detail, lacking in open wideness if that makes sense. I really was hoping that the P5s would be sonically as good as they look, but for £250 no way not even close, not when you can pick up the Shure se530 or the D2000 for just over £200. Certainly they are comfortable and anyone stepping up from a £50-100 headphone will be impressed with the sound quality, but they are sonically not worth £250, no way. I would suggest that anyone interested in these purchase from an Apple store and take advantage of the 14 day money back guarantee if needed.As I said before I was looking for a more portable less fragile version of the D2000, I guess I'll be sticking with the se530s for a bit longer which although sounding amazing can get a tad uncomfortable after a long listen. If anyone has any suggestions? Hope this helps and it's only my opinion...
@calebOn the surface of it that's a good idea. However, when it comes to higher end audio kit like this, tastes can be very personal, so what comes out top in the comparison might not be the best for you.
@HugoRepeat your iPhone/iPod Touch test with 320KBps AAC files. For some reason Apples lossless codec doesn't seem to result in decent quality output. Using the AACs results in very good quality output.And my iPad's the best of the (Apple) lot IMHO. Not tried that with ALAC yet.My provenence:Sony MDR-E888LP earbuds - the best earbuds ever madeUE Triple-Fi 10Sony Near Field MonitorsiRiver iHP-120 (renamed the H120)iRiver H340 - has to be heard playing FLACs to be believediPods - Nano (1st to 4th Gen), 5G, TouchiPhone
@Tony Walker: Wow, someone actually bought the Sony Near Field Monitors. Never would've thought. What did you make of them?BTW, I just shot a video review of these so hopefully that will be edited and uploaded in the next day or so.
I varied between ALAC and 320kbps MP3 - although I agree, on an iPod the difference is nigh-on unnoticeable.FWIW the SE530's aren't going to be comparable for long. Remember, they cost over £400 when they came out and are soon to be replaced by the SE535s. I'd expect those to cost a lot more than £250.Plus, there's more to the earphone vs headphone argument than just outright quality. Sometimes I just don't want bits of plastic rammed into my ear canals making music sound like its coming from inside my head.
@ Tony WalkerI agree. Music is very personal but the point is if the reviewer compares parameters like the treble, mid range, bass, sensitivity as well as other subjective parameters like detail, smoothness, soundstage, instrument seperation with other products then people will have a better idea of what to expect. BTW all audio based reviews are coloured to some extent by the reviewers personal taste.
From the reviews.. i take it that the P5s are comfortable to wear. However wearing it for long periods of time, does it ever bother anyone that the headphones are pressed to your ears rather than over them? Personally, I've never had good experiences with headphones that sits on top of your ears...but i do like the P5s a lot and still contemplating on weather or not to get it.
I left a first impression comment on the product presentation article a couple of months ago, just before I got a pair of these.I have to say that I take nothing back. These are headphones to be appreciated on the longer term, and the price is just right to avoid impulse buy that leads to flaming comments afterwards.It did not take long before I chose to setup the equaliser to the "reduced bass" setting in my iPhone, because as the headphone started to run in, I thought it was a bit too much paste in the lower frequencies for my taste.I have to accept I am an "airy medium" gourmet, and I feel satisfied by the P5s.However, some will find them either to bassy or too lean, or god knows what else...They are nevertheless incredibly comfortable for long listening sessions, either aurally or physically.I have tried them on my HiFi system (not just a stereo one, before you ask) and I can hear a good difference between ALAC and AAC or MP3 encoded files, which seems to suggest their definition is quite good.
Oh by the way, the article makes no mention of the very interesting free 3 month membership to Bowers & Wilkins' Society of Sound that brings access to free download of various Master quality (FLAC 24/96) music.The last Peter Gabriel is available, as well as other non charts artists of great interest.
@EdLove 'em. As you might imagine, they need a quality source. Day to day, that comes from a Squeezebox boom outputting FLAC, but I have an iRiver H340 that I've put Rockbox on and the FLAC playback from that with them is just sublime.
@HugoIMvHO 320KBps AAC is better than an MP3 at the same bitrate, and in theory Apple will ensure it sounds better given they sell songs in that format.
Based on TR reviews i picked up the P5s yesterday...I think they sound amazing. Better than my SHE950s. Sounds great without an amp, and doesn't leak sound like my Dr.Dre Beats or Sennheiser555.. I love that they have an iphone/ipod control. Im hoping they are comfy over a long period of wearing. $299 is very worth the price for me.
Having bought the UE 700 in ear headphones about 8 months, one of the ear piece suddenly dies on me :( Got them replaced but having heard the P5's in an Apple store, I was blown away. They were by far the best headphones I have ever listened to. They were so comfortable I felt I could wear them for hours without my ears hurting or getting really hot. Something which I could not say about the BOSE or Dr Dre's Beats.I don't like in-ear headphones anymore because of the wax build up on the tips so i am looking to get some over the ear headphones. I can't decide between these and the Sony PFR!!!
Great sounding headphones. Because of their rectangular shape you can fine-tune the sound according to what you are playing. For instance, twist them slightly away from the front of your ears, and then you have a little less bass and a wider, open sound-stage, more like an open design headphone, and it still sounds brilliant!
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