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PaulNicolson

12:41 AM on 16 November, 2009

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Im with 3g and the service is very poor. I pay £7.50 a month for 5gb of traffic. I would never get close as I use it now only a few days a month. I would rather log on to wifi as the service is poor. If I get more than 128k I have done well. If this is the future is is a sad one. Then again my 3g on my Iphone is rubbish as well on o2. Im in cambridgeshire.

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lifethroughalens

2:27 AM on 16 November, 2009

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That was a brilliant read, really well written and laid out. Cheers.

It still annoys me when the Telco's say in their defence 'we never expected or foresaw the demand for so much data'...Rollocks! The writing was on the wall for years and each year they've been drip feeding their networks with minimum investment as contention ratios went through the roof, waiting to see who would blink first.

Sadly I'm beginning to get the feeling that LTE will turn out to be as obsolete as USB3 will be when it eventually launches...3 years too late.

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Ben

2:43 AM on 16 November, 2009

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Surely the biggest improvement to mobile broadband woes will be the refarming of the 900MHz spectrum. As far as I can tell, the mobile operators are holding back at the moment until they can start to deploy 3.5G (and 4G) down there where some people might actually be able to make use of it. 2100MHz has been a total curse.

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Gordon394

2:54 AM on 16 November, 2009

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@lifethroughalens - many thanks! And yes, the problem is 140-160Mbit/sec LTE will come at a time when so many of use are smashing into 7.2Mbit connections that they will soon fill up LTE. It's similar to how motorways are built to ease congestion, but fill up almost as soon as they open. That said, a reliable 2-5Mbit/sec connection would be heaven sent and capable enough for almost any task including streaming HD (720p anyway - good enough for laptop screens). So hopefully it will give us some breathing space, especially with HSDPA cut some more slack as a result.

@Ben - you could be right, but how it will pan out in real world terms is still unclear. Hopefully it will follow in LTE and provide further help. Heaven knows, we need it!

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Manni

6:26 AM on 16 November, 2009

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Great article indeed, thanks.

I recently got a new office and considered getting mobile broadband instead of a landline (I have a full broadband at home), but apart from the weak performance (500kbps on my 3G laptop and 200kbps on my 3G phone with T-Mob), the real reason I didn't is the one you don't mention and which is nevertheless a huge problem: no skype allowed (unless you pay twice the monthly amount).

When will Telcos accept they are nothing more than a tube, and will stop overcharging for everything, namely skype and roaming?

In the end I didn't subscribe to a monthly broadband, I kept a PAYG sim in my laptop for when I'm on the go (not often), I use my phone as a modem daily to check my email and do limited web browsing from the laptop (keeping big downloads for home), and I will get a landline and proper broadband if I feel I need more (primirily for skype and slingbox pro streaming).

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Steve

8:13 AM on 16 November, 2009

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Having worked for one of the major UK networks, I could see this coming years ago. It's all about hiking up the average revenue per customer (as the sales bods would tell me). More and more data cards/dongles were sold and no investment was made to upgrade the network infrastructure. It doesn't help when the likes of other companies like Virgin Mobile piggy back on your network either!

The company I work for at the moment uses Vodafone's 3G dongles, considering I am in North London, is it acceptable for 3G to be flaky here? Is it acceptable for the connection to constantly drop to 2G? Of course not! It's ridiculous.

Other issue I have found is browsing the internet on my phone. This is an example of how it's all going so wrong:

I am an Arsenal season ticket holder, I used to be able to browse the web in the stadium (I used to check the scores through all the leagues at half-time and the results at full-time, everything was flawless). Now everyone is murdering the networks with their iPhones, Blackberry etc etc etc - the networks simply cannot cope! Approaching kick off, I can forget about browsing the web, it won't connect. I can forget about sending an MMS 30 mins before kick off and until I am on the train and out the area after the game and even bloody phone calls are an issue because I often get "network unavailable" when trying to make a call (due to the numbers of the people in the area all trying to do the same).

You would think that the networks would upgrade their gear around stadiums at least! It would pay for itself with all the people in the area wanting to send MMS's etc.

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Ryan131

9:35 AM on 16 November, 2009

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Re: the wavelengths in use, specifically: "it is for the networks to figure out and clearly they aren't doing a good enough job."

It is actually OFCOM who mandated that the well-penetrating 2G frequencies must be restricted to 2G. Now that EU have stepped in and un-restricted them, I hope we'll be seeing a massive spread of 3G availability into 2G areas (something O2 in particular need, as their 2G signal, IMHO, is second to none and it might catapult them to the top of the 3G table).

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mark

9:42 AM on 16 November, 2009

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Have you noticed how it is the country areas where there are problems with fixed line broadband show themselves; & therefore one might think 3G was an answer! Except the country areas are the white spaces on the maps above.

It is also the country areas that might benefit most with high quality broadband, because they are the areas that find ordering stuff from a shop difficult (the shops are miles away), they should be able to open rural business where jobs are needed, but they suffer poor services & poor broadband, & frankly which company is going to look kindly at areas where the population is scattered..

We may live in idylic surroundings, but there is a hefty downside which many do not see, until the move here!

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Ben

9:55 AM on 16 November, 2009

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@Steve, that's very poor re: your observations at the stadium. Very dense, predictable populations should surely be easy and profitable enough to cover properly.

At least with the Vodafone Access Gateway I can take control of coverage in my own home, as ridiculous as the concept of providing our own network coverage is.

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Ataripower

10:51 AM on 16 November, 2009

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Gordon, a great article which I enjoyed reading. I guess I am however one of the 14 per cent satisfied because I get a great service from both Orange (smart phone) and Virgin Media (netbook) mobile broadband. However you made a point which really hit home. With the dredded iphone hitting Orange, I guess I can look forward to terrible service on par with O2 in the coming months until Orange sort their bandwidth. I never previously considered this!! O2 were taking one for the team with their exclusivity agreement and anyone who avoids iphone mania like the plague did right to avoid O2....not anymore!!

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Gordon394

11:24 AM on 16 November, 2009

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@Ataripower - appreciate the kind words and good luck, up until now you've definitely been one of the lucky ones! Long may it continue :)

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WyWyWyWy

11:39 AM on 16 November, 2009

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I am rather satisfied with my 3 mobile broadband, especially when it's £7.50 for 5gb.

Not quite so with my T-mobile one though! It's crap!!

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Steve

11:56 AM on 16 November, 2009

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@WyWyWyWy

I find my personal broadband with T-Mobile is excellent most of the time. I get great coverage in and around London as you'd expect seeing as London was a key site for the old One2One company so the network is fairly solid.

Can't say the same about Vodafone though. And lets not even go there with O2!

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Vivid

12:54 PM on 16 November, 2009

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I was in the T-Mobile shop in Chichester and I couldn't work out how they got an excellent connection on the WiFi dongle they had connected to a demonstration laptop when the connection to my Smartphone was dreadful. (I am a T-Mobile customer.) I then saw that the cheeky scamps that connected the laptop up, actually had it connecting to a wifi router in the shop. I couldn't be bothered to remonstrate with the worker drones so I disconnected the WiFi and deleted the connection details.

I'm rather hoping it caused the cheating bastards at least some small amount of distress.

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Gordon394

12:56 PM on 16 November, 2009

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@Vivid - love it! I also think this falls squarely under my argument of networks mis-selling ;)

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drdark

1:01 PM on 16 November, 2009

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@Manni: '3' allow Skype. In fact I can't think of anything they don't allow at the moment. I've come across stories of T-Mobile blocking YouTube, Orange blocking certain ports and of course the iPhone on O2 not allowing Skype or iPlayer use through 3G.

I've had an E71 on 3 for over a year now and use Skype, iPlayer, YouTube and Mobbler (Last.fm) apps over 3G just fine. Granted the iPlayer does tend to re-buffer if the signal is bad, but I've found I actually have the best 3G signal when sat in the office. I'm eagerly awaiting Spotify on S60 to try that out, especially since Orb is very slow for some reason (even when I fiddle around with the quality settings).

Whilst not "over-the-moon" happy, I'd say I'm satisfied as I get 1GB"unlimited" for £5 a month with 3. I haven't tried 'Mobile Broadband' on a laptop yet, but my consumption would be greater and no doubt slow things down.

@Gordon: I'd actually like to add one other thing to blame - the websites themselves. While many sites started to offer mobile versions (Amazon and eBay still have good ones for example), a lot of people are still forced to browse their favourite sites' "desktop" version on a mobile phone. We don't really think about it when on a PC, but since I can see the download size I know that some of my favourite websites take 4MB to load a page. This is of course due to the abundance of ads, Flash content, etc. Anyone else remember when the average web page was under 100k? (well, unless you were waiting for pictures on a porn site to download, but I guess the end result was worth the wait!)

Anyway, good article, or nice rant rather. In the end, as mentioned, technology is too often a victim of its own success.

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hps

1:06 PM on 16 November, 2009

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My wife took her iPhone on a 3 day trip to NYC. All it did was download emails (she didn't know how to switch this off). o2 Charged £132 @ £6 / MB. And you only really find out about the charges after the fact, which feeds the impression that these charges are ripoffs for the unwary.

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Orinj

2:10 PM on 16 November, 2009

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Despite the negative attitude towards the reality of mobile broadband presented here, I have been using it for my sole home internet connection for the past two years. Through data cards or the dial-up connection of my mobile phones I can sympathise with the experiences of all on here.

It's by no means perfect but for the majority of tasks I perform, it's cheaper and sufficient. Bring on LTE!

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VE

2:22 PM on 16 November, 2009

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Gordon, I just think I need to point out something that your article failed to mention (not a criticism when I say failed more an observation. Even if LTE takes off and provides speeds we don't currently receive, then as well as the size and breadth of the network it is the back-haul (the bandwidth at the back end of the network) which I think has caused most of the issues.

If and when a cell sites go down it can be any number of issues. It could be hardware, software or the fibre optics from that site back into the main network. Now virtually all networks are dependent on one player to provide the extensive coverage for that namely BT. From a customer perceptive all that is irrelevant and in some cases all well and nonsense even but it needs to be considered in the context of the ability to improves network speeds when the cost of getting this back end bandwidth has to come from somewhere and current and and only provider is not cheap. Inevitably the customer pays whether that be in terms of service or lack of, as is experienced now. Or in price which may come with increased speeds I mean have we not seen similar business practices from the fixed line broadband brigade?

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Gordon394

2:28 PM on 16 November, 2009

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@V.E - that's a fair point and I do wish telcos would introduce some form of traffic prioritisation. That way users would be able to pay more to guarantee a certain level of service.

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Jay4d0

2:40 PM on 16 November, 2009

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Does true 4G exist as a standard yet? and is it only the cost and the power consumption of the mobile devices that is stopping the deployment? cause my thinking is that they should just invest in the fastest possible then maintain it rather than upgrading every couple of years.

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Gordon394

3:05 PM on 16 November, 2009

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@Jay - no, it's all theory. I discuss it in my UTMS Forum interview, but here's the extract:

"How do you think LTE will be marketed? 3G is a household name and '4G' would be an easy sell.

JPB "As a trade body we need to be careful. We are promoters but we must not create false hype. We need to name things by their real names. We don't want to over promise. Neither LTE or WiMax is 4G, they are extensions of 3G. The Japanese have found the real term, that is 'Super 3G' and that is what it represents. It is the ultimate form of 3G. They call it 3G 3.9"

CS "Whatever 4G will be it is not set but it will be very different because 3G is at its peak. 4G is looking at 100Mbit in full mobility and one gigabit when stationary. It's a hugely ambition plan but it little more than writing on the back of a napkin."

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Xiphias

3:16 PM on 16 November, 2009

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Is the speed really a problem? 140KB/s isn't exactly slow.

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Gordon394

3:46 PM on 16 November, 2009

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@Gordon - actually it is. Today web pages can be many megabytes in size and we tend to skip quickly between different pages all the while other programmes/services on our laptops are stealing that bandwidth.

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Kaurisol

3:47 PM on 16 November, 2009

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@Xiphias

I remember trying to do a demo to a client in the mid '80s using an acoustic coupler (a mounting that you put the handset of your phone into) running at about 300B/s... - even our fixed lines ran at about 4800B/s (yes, that really is Bytes per second, not Kilobytes).

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Jones

5:04 PM on 16 November, 2009

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I am an ex mobile broadband user. Well, more accurately my other half bought into a contract before meeting me cutting a long story short I ended up having to use it for several months when I eventually moved in. In short, it was utter mince.

The service was Vodafones and I wouldnt have been surprised if dial up speeds were faster. We complained and complained and other than chopping £5 of the price and giving us a new "fancy" broadband stick (which didnt solve the problems) we had to put up with things for a length of time before they conceded that they couldnt fathom why the problem existed and that it was there fault. Luckily the contract was ended.

It will take years before I think I will ever be arsed to try mobile broadband again. You're probably wondering why I wanted to share this rambling nonsense but the mere mention of mobile broadband leaves me in a cold sweat and close to tears.

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chessnuts

6:10 PM on 16 November, 2009

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But nevermind the download speed (or even upload); that's the easy part. What about the latency? Will I be able to play first-person shooters muliplayer online, on the train with my laptop and a 4G connection?

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Gordon394

6:16 PM on 16 November, 2009

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@Jones - that's exactly the sort of thing we are interested in hearing and such experiences are common and what drove the writing of this article. Thanks for sharing and I how this at least lets you know you're not alone in suffering!

@chessnuts - latency is much better, though no formal figure has been put on it. Given WiFi is general is pretty poor for FPSes I doubt very much whether any 3G based technology will be remotely useful.

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DougEllison

9:02 PM on 16 November, 2009

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I have an O2 Mobile Broadband PAYG USB stick. In the middle of London - it was not bad at all. A mb/sec or two - not shabby. ANYWHERE else ( central Birmingham, Leicester, Milton Keynes, Guildford ) - USELESS. Worse that dial-up. The promised tie-in to BT Openzone's WiFi was a complete mess - regularly wouldn't work. Ditto the other afiliated WiFI networks it was supposed to tie in to. This experience is why I refused to buy an iPhone whilst available on O2 only. Side by side comparisons between O2 USB stick, and iPhone on Orange ( which I got on Sat ) - the 3G actually works here in Leicester. Quite impressed. Anyone want an O2 USB stick for PAYG - you can have it for nothing.

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drdark

11:20 PM on 16 November, 2009

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Also, I don't know if anyone else has noticed this, but what's with the Picadilly line? (I mean the above ground bits - west) It seems every other station I lose signal. Bakerloo and Metropolitan are fine.

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GoldenGuy

11:33 PM on 16 November, 2009

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@Doug Ellison

I'd say "Cool, yes please" - it'd be nice to give another network test run - but can't think of anything to exchange it for.

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JamieB

11:38 PM on 16 November, 2009

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Outstanding article Gordon. A reminder to me of why I come back to this site time and time again.

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Gordon394

12:19 AM on 17 November, 2009

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@JamieB *blush*

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Alan Edwards47c

1:49 PM on 17 November, 2009

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I've got one of all the dongles and cards you've included pictures of. I even have the external antenna for the Option Vodafone card in a box somewhere. My experience is that the Novatel MC930D (the shiny 02 one) is the best of the lot, HSUPA seemed to make a big difference for some reason.

One thing you don't touch on is that the coverage predictions on the network websites are pretty much made up. I stayed in a hotel in Cornwall that had no 3G and barely any 2G on any of the networks, but 3 and T-Mobile both claimed 3G would work fine. Same at a hotel in Garforth - base stations out by the M1, but signal bumping along the bottom in the hotel.

The other thing that annoys me is that Wales is almost completely ignored by them all. I'm toying with going to Pembrokeshire on holiday next year, there are some places that have no 2G let alone 3G.

Alan.

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tinhorseman

2:58 PM on 17 November, 2009

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I have never had fixed line broadband, but have used a "3" network dongle for nearly 2 years now. Coverage and speeds have for the majority of the time been good and I have been pleased with it.

I live and use my dongle on the outskirts of Huddersfield but I also whilst away from home(only in UK though) and have never had any complaints. If the speed does drop off I soon learned to disconnect and re-connect (and sometimes even re-boot my laptop) and it is always back up to speed. The £15.00 a month saves me from the dreaded BT line charges and I have no intention to change, well happy!.

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Gordon394

3:27 PM on 17 November, 2009

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@Alan Edwards - fair point, though I think the term "pretty much made up" might have been lawyer bait ;)

@tinhorseman - good news! When it does work, it's a fabulous technology - it just needs to recreate your experience for more people.

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lifethroughalens

3:35 PM on 17 November, 2009

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"If the speed does drop off I soon learned to disconnect and re-connect (and sometimes even re-boot my laptop) and it is always back up to speed..."

That would drive me absolutely nuts since my XP lappy takes an entire ice age to reboot!

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lifethroughalens

3:54 PM on 17 November, 2009

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Just a thought - I have always wanted a data SIM only, to put in many of my old mobile phones so I can use them as a MID and for Emails on the move. That way I can buy a phone that's good at being a phone and carry another gadget for media/web and emails. (I know i'm weird, convergence devices just don't do it for me as they used to! That may change if HTC ever actually get around to shipping the HD2 this year)

Can you just take the SIM out of a PAYG dongle and put that in any device with a SIM slot and expect the same data service but without a phone number attached to it? Or am I being a little, er, dense?

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Gordon394

4:32 PM on 17 November, 2009

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@lifethroughalens - no, I don't believe so. I haven't tried mind you, but I believe it is locked specifically to dongle hardware.

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gordonsdad

7:16 PM on 17 November, 2009

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Excellent review Gordon. I'm a caravanner and bought an O2 dongle for the lappy for a bit of browsing and getting the e-mail when away. Total waste of time. I mostly go to country campsites which seem to have no coverage at all.

I live in hope for better things in the future - am I sad or just naive?

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lifethroughalens

7:44 PM on 17 November, 2009

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Ho hum...i'll keep on dreaming then! Cheers.

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bobsta

9:56 PM on 17 November, 2009

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I think everyone has hit the nail on the head - the networks saw this coming and they have deliberately decided to do ..... nothing. They'll milk every last penny out of subscribers and provide poor service because 'investment' is a dirty word - they merely exist to make a return to shareholders, not serve their customers.

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Manni

8:17 AM on 18 November, 2009

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@DrDark: thanks, but is this £5 for mobile broadband on a laptop, or for an extension of a phone subscription? I already have the mobile broadband option on my phone (with T-mob) and I'm pretty happy with it despite the slow speed most of the time in my area. I tried to get 3 PAYG sim cards to experiment the reception for their "free skype" offer but it looks like they need to download info to a phone, so not sure they will wrk in the laptop, I plan to try today.

@lifethroughalens: don't know about other networks, but when I tried the t-mobile subscription which came with a dongle the SIM worked in my 3G laptop fine without the dongle. You have to ask them if it will. The first thing to check is if the SIM card is removable frm the USB dongle (sometimes it isn't). FYI PAYG 3G from t-mobile is only £2 per day, so it's interesting if you only need it a couple of days a month.

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Manni

9:42 AM on 18 November, 2009

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Just tried the 3 PAYG sim card (which gives you free skype calls), it works fine on my handset (Touch Pro 2) and I get better reception than with T-Mob, unfortunately it doesn't work on my laptop.

@DrDark: I checked on 3's website, the cheapest mobile broadband for laptop is £10/month for 1gb. Also I don't know if the SIM that comes with their dongle would work without the dongle in a 3G laptop, like T-mob's one.

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Gordon394

1:54 PM on 18 November, 2009

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@bobsta & manni interesting news guys, thanks for the tests.

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lifethroughalens

2:03 PM on 18 November, 2009

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Cheers Manni - I try some friends SIMS out of their dongles to see if it works in a Jailbroken, unlocked iPhone.

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