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PK Son

7:42 AM on 13 November, 2008

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wow!! This is even better!!! I can see what you mean by the price.. it's pretty expensive.. argh.. but Full HD @ 24fps. nice..

You say it's limited to only 15 minutes? hmm.. does it take long to save the video file once it's used up the 15 minutes?

How is the video quality?

Thanks!

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Nokabolikov

9:48 AM on 13 November, 2008

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PK Son said "You say {video} limited to only 15 minutes"

This is because the EEC classifies a device that takes more than 15 mins at a time as a video camera. Cameras sold in other regions probably do not have this restriction.

My FZ28 will shoot to a *file limit* of 2 GB. Manual says 8 mins HD, practice says up

to 16 mins. Subjectively, ending the take takes less time than saving RAW+jpeg.

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Nokabolikov

9:56 AM on 13 November, 2008

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"The Leica lens produces almost no barrel distortion despite its 24mm wide angle end. "

This is not true. The lens produces a lot of distortion, but it is corrected in the camera.

The LX3 is a fine example of the the melding of pure optics, electronics, and algorithms.

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NickGrant

9:58 AM on 13 November, 2008

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No barrel distortion?!?! Are you mad! It was terrible!

I think the whole review was a bit overblown to be honest - I'm starting to doubt TR's impartiality, given that the high-ISO performance was good, but not amazing, and the barrel distortion comments were plainly deluded!

Also, I think that 9 out of 10 for value is completely barking... the Canon PowerShot A2000 IS costs around £200, for comparable specs and image quality.

I'm disillusioned with TR.

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AndyVandervell

10:14 AM on 13 November, 2008

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@Nick:

"almost no barrel distortion" not "no barrel distortion".

As for value, as noted in the review (page 1, last paragraph in case you haven't read it), £300 for a professional grade compact of this quality is very good. As for the A2000, it's not a pro grade compact, doesn't have the same level of manual controls and nothing like the build quality. There's no doubting it's a very good camera, but the comparison isn't valid imo.

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basicasic

12:13 PM on 13 November, 2008

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This camera review may or maynot be accurate. However I think anyone expecting any review site that doesnt actually go out and buy the goods they test to be completely impartial are deluding themselves. They all have to play the manufacturers' game to get free advanced review samples and keep advertisers happy. I wonder why manufacturers spend huge amounts on lavish launch junkets in exotic places?

Trustedreviews are certainly no worse than anyone else (and are much better than many) but I take everything I read on all review sites with a dose of healthy scepticism.

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PK Son

1:01 PM on 13 November, 2008

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Nokabolikov:

Thanks. That was very helpful. I will look into it in Korea. If it's not a camera limitation but a localized restriction, then I'm hoping this will not be the case for the LX3 here.

it IS pretty expensive compared to the FX500, but I'm looking for a compact that can shoot HD. sounds nice.. but price.. but then again, the test shots looked great..

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piesforyou

1:36 PM on 13 November, 2008

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I'm not seeing 10/10 for image quality. It is good on the macro shots, but Exeter cathedral looks bland and smudgy, even if it was overcast. Not too impressed.

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Nokabolikov

2:35 PM on 13 November, 2008

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Nick Grant said "Canon PowerShot A2000 for comparable specs" -- there is no comparison. The A2000 is aimed squarely at the casual shooter market.

Pixel density /sq cm: LX3 24 M; A2000 35 M

Zoom: LX3 24 mm to 60 mm; A2000 36 mm to 216 mm

Max aperture: LX3 f2--2.8; A2000 f3.2--5.9

Closest rivals to LX3 are Canon G10 and Ricoh GX200.

A2000 f5.9 is pretty alarming. With a compact camera with a lens this small,

diffraction (light scattering) will be start to be a problem at this aperture, and you have no leeway, all you can do is make it worse by stopping down more.

PK Son

If you value portability the most, go for the FX500.

If you want wider range of usability (within the limits of the zoom) get the LX3.

You get an F2 lens and usable ISO800.

You will also find that the LX will give more pleasing results more often:

fewer clipped highlights, more shadow detail, less garish colours (which can be adjusted), and a wickedly good monochrome pictures.

I like the HD video on my FZ28, but Panasonic sound is fairly rudimentary.

I think it is more set up for recording photo memos and commentary by the shooter.

Canons are said to have better sound.

If you want an excellent-value pocketable shooter

with 10x zoom, the price of the TZ5 is remarkably low.

(I think that the lens diameter of the FX range is too small.)

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AndyVandervell

2:46 PM on 13 November, 2008

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What he said. ;)

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CliffSmith

3:35 PM on 13 November, 2008

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Well, nothing like a 10/10 stirring up a bit of controversy. Perhaps we should only have review scores that go up to 9?

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BigBadDave

4:40 PM on 13 November, 2008

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Or up to 11, perhaps?

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AndyVandervell

4:48 PM on 13 November, 2008

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That would get my vote. ;)

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fooey

6:14 PM on 13 November, 2008

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I've been looking for a replacement for my dead FUJIFILM F31 ...

This looks like a suitable candiate!

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Frank

6:51 PM on 13 November, 2008

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No viewfinder.

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smx

7:25 PM on 13 November, 2008

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Guys, what about FX-150? It has larger sensor than fx500, almost like LX3; much cheaper then L&#1061;3. And what is the most important for me, it's about 30% lighter and smaller then LX3

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smx

7:30 PM on 13 November, 2008

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LX3 sensor 1/1.63

FX150 - 1/1.72

FX500 - 1/2.33

1/1.63 and 1/1/73 - very small difference, especially compared to 1/72 and 1/2.33

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ScottNZ

10:53 PM on 13 November, 2008

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Any chance of making a small video from the camera available? I'd really like to see how good the video quality is at the max settings

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Nokabolikov

12:19 AM on 14 November, 2008

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Scott, you can find plenty of vids here: hxxp://www.vimeo.com/videos/search:LX3

smx, the size of the sensor is not as relevant as how densely it is populated with pixels.

Pixel density /sq cm: LX3 24 M; FX150 & FX500 35 M; Nikon D90 3.3 M & D700 1.7 M

Generally speaking, less dense means wider dynamic range and less noise.

Compact cameras, with their overpopulated sensors, cannot give you both shadow detail and highlights that are not blown (whited out). And when they do give you shadow detail there are likely to be dots of odd colours (chroma noise) or grey (luminance noise) in there. These occur because the signals from the photosites are not strong enough for background electrical noise not to be a problem. Camera makers fudge the problem by smudging the noise (noise reduction). Unless you want to print at A3 size and above (can you afford to?) more pixels is not good.

If portability is important, the FX range is the way to go. But photographically, with a little more bulk, you get a better, larger diameter lens on the TZ5.

The LX3 is getting close to a photographic tool. If you are interested in Photography with a capital P rather than snapping pictures, the LX3 is a no brainer. You would be willing to sacrifice the extra size for the results it can provide. People who buy the LX3 tend to love it because it pleases them. It makes them want to take more pictures.

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PK Son

8:13 AM on 19 November, 2008

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Nokabolikov : Thanks for the link! The FZ28 seems pretty nice, but I needed a portable HD camera.. (or else my D70 and D300 will start pouting) I checked out the videos, and it seems like the LX3 has significantly better video quality than the FX500. (although pretty good, under extreme low lights, the LX seems like it performs so much better.) And I'm sure I will like the picture quality of the LX3.

Thanks for the replies!

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IqbalHamid

5:02 AM on 23 December, 2008

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I have gone out and bought this camera based partly on my own CRUDE comparison test of this camera against the Canon g10. You can see the results here...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/iqbalhamid/sets/72157611254866210/

...with an explanation in the comments under the first image.

After shhoting nearly 200 shots over 2weeks, the only thing I have noticed is a tendency to marginally overexpose. Any one else out there, noticed this at all?

Despite this possible flaw, I still feel the LX3 is blatantly superior to the g10. Hope this helps any one out there who are still torn between the two as I initially was.

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ClivePugh

4:23 PM on 23 January, 2009

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I cannot decide between the Canon G10 and Panasonic DMC LX3

Anyone share helpful information ?

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Quidam

1:03 PM on 7 February, 2009

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As I now own the Lumix LX3 and have owned the Powershot G9 (a bit different from the tested G10), I think you better first ask yourself: what is the aim I have with the device? Both cameras have good qualities, depending on what you are going to do and how you will influence the results. For my aims the winner is the Lumix LX3, as it makes wonderful pictures under difficult light conditions. The Powershot G10 will produce other results under the equal conditions plus you have to do a lot of manual work to get these results. In all I think the G10 will satisfy those who like manual interaction and the Lumix X3 those who trust the "intelligence" of the camera.

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Terry

12:38 PM on 19 September, 2009

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Canon G10 or Lumix X3? How can such a top quality camera as the Lumix leave out a viewfinder? I'm off to buy the G10.....

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Fritz

2:13 AM on 23 September, 2009

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I have a G9 but I got a Leica D-Lux 4 Safari edition last night, for color I prefer the Leica, I don't like the color of Canon cameras, no matter compat or SLR.

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ArtySmokes

3:06 AM on 20 October, 2009

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This review was based on a price of £300. Was that accurate? 10 months after it was first retailed, the street price seems to have GONE UP to £350. It's not such a bargain all of a sudden.

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Victor Ian Clark

2:02 PM on 21 January, 2010

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I was looking for a repalcement for my S50 but will not buy a camera wthout a veiwfinder and if you add £100 for the VOF this is too expensive

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SamLewis

9:59 PM on 22 January, 2010

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I fail to see the point of a view finder on a compact camera. On an SLR the advantage is you are looking directly through the lens, on a compact such as this, you enjoy no such privilege, where as the screen shows you exactly what the lens is seeing (just like an SLR viewfinder). IMO lack of a viewfinder is not a problem on a camera of this type.

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Victor Ian Clark

5:31 PM on 11 March, 2010

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After reading this review I bought an LX3 to rplace a Canon S50. Great lens but rubish software. jpg and Raw files produced are not standard and Silkypix only reads files produced on the LX3. Even worse Silkypix is limited so you will still need another Editor. The RAW editor I used for the Canon will not read RW2 and Silkypix will not read any files jpg or RAW not produced on the LX3. I thought this sort of protectionism died out years ago.

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GHell

6:22 PM on 8 April, 2010

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I love this camera. I bought it mainly on the strength of this review.

Unfortunately, the lack of viewfinder is driving me nuts. I went on a long, sunny, cliff-top walk today and the best I could do was to try to use the hood of my jacket to shade the LCD.

I want to replace it with something at least as compact and light. The fujifilm EXR compacts sounded great but they don't have viewfinders either. Any recommendations?

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digibug

6:01 PM on 14 April, 2010

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G Hell. The only camera I can think of that fits your requirements is the ixus980/SD990. Anything else has a larger body than the LX3. The ixus is small, has good image quality and has a viewfinder. Although no wide angle. If you can stand something bigger than the LX3, then the G10/G11 are probably your best bet.

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GHell

12:42 PM on 16 April, 2010

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digibug. Thanks for the advice. I'll check out the models you mention.

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sparkle

7:47 PM on 12 May, 2010

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hi can anyone help!! I've been looking endlessly at the various types of cameras ranging from the compact - Sony CyperShot HX6, cannon PowerShot SX210, Lumix TZ10 & Lumix LX3. Bridge cameras- Nikon coolpix P100, Cannon G11 SLR Lumix G1 & GH1, Cannon EOS 550D Nikon D90 ...saying i'm confused is an understatement...

I'm basically after a camera that i can take on holiday and family events... I tend to zoom quite a bit whilst on holiday, a wide angled lens would be preferable for when i take landscape shots without it loosing depth and clarity. Any recommendations would be really appreciated!! Thanks :)

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ChrisC

1:04 PM on 14 May, 2010

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I'm in the same position as you Sparkle! I really like the LX3 for it's photo quality, build quality, wide angle & low light performance, but the only thing that puts me off is the short zoom (but then you can always 'get closer' I suppose!).

I like the look of the Sony HX5, it's got an almost as wide angle lens & a useful zoom, but then there are small comprises in terms of image quality, which I probably couldn't tell the difference between anyway, so it's a psychological issues more than anything! So for me it's between the LX3 and the HX5.

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digibug

12:38 PM on 20 May, 2010

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@ sparkle and ChrisC. Check out the Panasonic DMC-TZ7, there's a review of it on this site.

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sharpie

2:38 PM on 2 June, 2010

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I agonised for ages before buying the LX3. Previously I had a Panasonic TZ5 and was so impressed I wanted to remain brand loyal. I was tempted to go for the TZ10 but wanted the wider angle, better lens etc.

Quite annoying and a problem for other people seems to have is all the shots seem too dark, far too dark. The only solution seems to be increase the general exposure by 1/3. Another design floor is the flimsy lens caps held on with string! Hardly the finishing touch to such an expensive camera. The lack of zoom did concern me but having used it for a month or so I have to say I don't miss it.

Still getting used to the camera and have to say not certain I shouldn't have gone for TZ10.

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MrBongo

1:09 PM on 26 October, 2010

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Hi

Just ordered an LX3, Present cameras Ixus 60, love it, Panasonic DMC FS6, love that one too and Olympus 5050 zoom; disapointing. I will look forward to owning and using the LX3 £282.00 from 'Simply Electronics' Some of you reviewees just want it all and something for nothing; lighten up and take your anorak down the charity shop, or better still burn the b**y thing. I have gone by such reviews, as above to aid my choice, I realise you can't have it all in one piece of equipment; e.g. I rarely zoom up so 'big' zooms don't influence my choice; leica lens!! all that specification for a great price and I can put it in my pocket. I do adventure/cultural tours so pocketability is another factor. Perhaps I will write a performance blog about the LX3 in a while. ATB and enjoy your hobby.

Mr Bongo

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Geoff Richards

2:42 PM on 26 October, 2010

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@Mr Bongo - I wish you the very best of luck with your order from Simply Electronics. The web is literally groaning under the weight of negative reviews of this reseller, and personally, I would not order from them.

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ben83s

7:53 PM on 3 January, 2011

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Hi, like a few others I'd like the chance to sweet talk some advice from people who know what they’re talking about :)

I’m finding my current Canon SD780 IS rather limiting, thus want to upgrade. I’m not looking for a new camera; as I’d rather get more bang more my buck with a used model. I’m keen to learn more about photography and want to pick a camera that I can grow into/with. Finally I’m a seafarer by trade so need a light’ish and durable camera that can travel the world and last.

ATM I got it down to two options: this LX3 ~£220, or the cheaper DMC-TZ7 ~£120 (the extra zoom isn’t so important). I guess I’m asking if you think the LX3 is suitable and worth the £100 extra?

Thanks Ben

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John Shewsbury

3:59 AM on 21 February, 2011

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Ben83, Sparkle and the rest of you who still can't decide for the camera you wanted, for God sake, if extra zoom is not important, just grab the LX3 for that £100 extra - trust me, the manual control options and image quality of LX3 is far more superior than the TZ7. TZ7 is also a good camera is you want a compact digicam with long zoom. LX3 can't offer you long zoom but the image quality and its ability in Low Light situation is much better than TZ7.

Majority of Panasonic LX3 buyers are happy with the camera, that I knew for sure. Plus this model receive positive review from many websites, and yes no camera is perfect, there is always room for improvement, but I guest not many of us willing to pay more, right?

For the others who tend to make comparison of Panasonic LX3 (or even Canon G10/G11/G12) with entry level DSLR, I think you are on the wrong end. Panasonic LX3, Canon G series (and also their high end S series - ie. S95), Nikon P600 & P700, Olympus XZ-1 or Samsung EX1 (to name a few that I knew) does not compete with those entry level DSLR. They are in the class of their own - "High End Compact" - targeted for advanced photographer or enthusiast though even the novice can use them with the "All Auto" function.

I also own Panasonic LX3 and I am happy with it. I can use external flash and that is really something important for me. You don't have to buy the expensive Panasonic flash, I just use the cheap YongNuo YN-460 external flash (made in China) which I also use on my other camera as the trigger voltage is very low and safe - only 3.3v

http://www.shewsbury.com/2010/10/panasonic-lx3.html

With the 52mm adapter tube, I can do more fun and experiment using additional accessories for the LX3 - things like cheap filters and conversion lens.

http://www.shewsbury.com/2010/10/pimp-my-lx3-58mm-digital-optics-20x.html

I also use the LX3 for some insects Macro Photography with the help of Raynox MSN-202 Super Macro Conversion Lens

http://www.shewsbury.com/2010/10/raynox-msn-202-macro-lens.html

http://www.shewsbury.com/2010/11/macro-photos-using-raynox-msn-202-and_20.html

I have DSLR, Canon EOS 1000D but I never bother to use the "Standard Lens-Kit of 18-55mm IS" - I only use this DSLR camera of mine with the Canon EF-50mm F/1.8 Mark II lens for certain special use (i.e. indoor photography). For any other "general purpose" or "standard" photography, the Panasonic LX3 become my "standard kit-lens" as it can produce the same good result within the 2.5x zoom range... in case you don't know, the "Standard Kit-Lens of 18-55mm" of Canon and Nikon DSLR lens are in fact offering only 3x zoom range (do the math 55/18 = 3.05) - so 2.5x and 3.0x is not a big different.

The Leica lens on the Panasonic LX3 is much better if compared to the standard kit lens those standard kit-lens offered with most entry level DSLR camera - for example: "Canon EFS 18-55mm F/3.5-5.6 IS"

And if I want long zoom for outdoor use, I can always use my Fujifilm HS10, the image quality is not great (if compared to LX3) but it does what it should and give the photo you want with that long zoom. I think the Panasonic FZ28 and FZ38 can give you better image quality but with slightly shorter zoom;

http://www.shewsbury.com/2010/05/fujifilm-finepix-hs10.html

Many people boasting that they have DSLR and their camera are better than the Panasonic LX3 - nothing much I can say about it, you get what you pay for. But there are also many people who talk big but they in fact only use the "standard kit-lens" with their DSLR and nothing else.

Bottom line is, Panasonic LX3 and also the latest LX5 (or any other similar "High End Advance Compact") does not claimed that they can beat entry level DSLR, but they promised to deliver excellent image quality in the terms of "compact digicam" and provide some creative control options for those advance photographer - and on this ground they fulfill their promise accordingly at their price range.

We can't expect to have good things to be cheap anyway.... there are reasons why Panasonic LX3/LX5 and their FZ series are made in Japan factory while the other Panasonic "low to mid range" camera models are made in China factory.

I believe that the concept of "perfect camera" does not exist. There is always plus and minus, depending to the person who will use it. If you ask me, a perfect camera is maybe a camera in a small body of Fujifilm X100, with 20X zoom and that stabilizer thing, have Leica lens, can use F/2.0 at all zoom range, use those DSLR image sensor, good processing engine that can let you capture full resolution image at the speed of 24 fps, image at ISO 3,200 is still perfect, full manual control with many external buttons and so on.... surely this is just a fantasy and it will never be a reality. Even if by chance somebody make it, the price wont be cheap and we all complain again...

So to all who love photography, have fun with what ever camera you have and God bless Trusted Review and all other website that provide camera reviews so that many people can just read and complains without the need to even buying the reviewed camera....

Cheers

John

http://www.shewsbury.com/

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The Panasonic LX3 is one of the very few digital cameras that I would consider buying for myself. It is a superbly designed and immensely capable all-purpose compact that will satisfy any keen photographer, but is also capable of producing good results in the hands of a novice. Build quality, performance and versatility are all of the highest order, and image quality is as good as it ever gets. It may seem expensive, but I think it would be money well spent.

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Reviewed by Cliff Smith

13 November 2008

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Value: 9/10
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Exceptional image quality
Manual controls
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Great build quality
Fast lens

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Limited zoom range
Limited video modes
Expensive
Slightly fiddly controls

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