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Darfuria

12:27 AM on 24 November, 2009

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I've always found my iMac to have an odd viewing angle. It's titled back very slightly, but no matter where I position it, unless it is titled right back light greys and blues are very barely visible. I notice this a lot as I work with WordPress quite a lot, which has greys and blues on the dashboard interface. Not sure if that applies to just my iMac/all iMacs, this new one.

I think 27" would be too big though. I've got the 20", and have a 24" Benq, which is great when you need all the space - but for general use it gets a bit over the top.

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NicholasPhan

12:48 AM on 24 November, 2009

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I think the newly announced VAIO L is the next closest thing to this. It comes in at 24inches, so its in between the two iMacs. The design on that is pretty neat as well. Differences are that this uses an LED IPS screen, whereas the Sony uses a multitouch screen.

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ruthless

2:10 AM on 24 November, 2009

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"The iMac has always been a thing of beauty; a shining beacon of what's possible when both form and function are allowed to combine in harmony"

.... if you're a fan of 70s sci-fi shows.

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Digital Fury

5:31 AM on 24 November, 2009

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No height-adjustable screen = no thank you. No Steve, not all humans are the same height or have the same morphology.

Tilting, or using a mammoth (and ugly) VESA arm to hold the weight of the 27", are piss poor substitutes.

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Hugo

9:05 AM on 24 November, 2009

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ruthless - Who doesn't love The Jetsons?

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Peter

9:14 AM on 24 November, 2009

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I think it shouldn't be a 10/10 overall.... Maybe 9/10.

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Mark Booth

9:17 AM on 24 November, 2009

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I think a few people will buy one not realising just how much desktop space this beast will take up. It looks a lot smaller in a huge open plan Apple Store! Having said that, the majority of us power users wanting immense screen resolution will have a ball. I have a 4 year old 20" iMac and it gets far more use than my newer PC Desktop (now just a development PC).

The new 27" model will suit a desk in a bedroom and double as an in bed TV and movie player. The missus has never liked nor wanted a mac but she has her eyes on this one so Apple must be doing something right.

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Marcel1

9:19 AM on 24 November, 2009

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How can you rate this as 10/10 for value?

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Ironduke

9:31 AM on 24 November, 2009

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Who now can stand against the power of the iMac?

Core i5 Core i7 27" inches of lustful glory!

Smells like another steve Jobs Victory

/Fanboy rant over

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SJ

9:49 AM on 24 November, 2009

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@ Marcel

The sheer size, quality, and technology of the screen?

As said in the review, to match such a good screen with a similar spec'd windows PC would shave very little - if anything - off the price.

I've always hated Mac desktop's personally (due to the level of customisation with much cheaper windows machines) whilst liking their laptops, however this bad boy has most definitely changed my mind.

Shame I spent £450 on a windows desktop not long ago, though I haven't got the screen to go with it yet..

..Might be able to justify that as getting this for a new toy.

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Steve

10:06 AM on 24 November, 2009

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@ Marcel "How can you rate this as 10/10 for value?"

Yes, I must admit my eyebrows were raised a tad when I saw that rating. Although they were raised even higher when I read the line "27in iMac is that it quite literally has no rivals" which is a bit odd. But we all know Hugo is an Apple man, so lets let the guy enjoy it :P

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Gormond

10:25 AM on 24 November, 2009

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My 2.8Ghz 24" Aluminium iMac is 2 years old now and I have to admit i'm extremely tempted by their new iMac with that lovely screen and design and a i7 quad core processor to boot. I have however decided to wait till next year when my AppleCare has expired with the hope that Apple may add USB3 and Blu-ray into the mix :)

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GoldenGuy

10:54 AM on 24 November, 2009

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Hugo, can SD cards fit all the way in this time? It's bad enough on the MacBook Pros but having them stick out the side of your iMac would quickly ruin those aesthetics.

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Dan

11:16 AM on 24 November, 2009

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Gormond - Apple will never add Blu-ray, Steve Jobs's got something against it.....

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StephenAllred

11:16 AM on 24 November, 2009

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@Steve @Marcel

How much do you think a 27 inch H-IPS monitor (LED backlit) with the dot pitch of the iMac would cost? Between £1000 and £1200.

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Andy0d2

11:31 AM on 24 November, 2009

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IMHO I could never say that something be it mac or pc over £1000 is a 10/10 on value. Whilst this is a great piece of technology its not flawless and thus should not be given a 10/10 overall.

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PoisonJam

12:19 PM on 24 November, 2009

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I'm a PC (user) and I think these seems good value. Considering it has a top-drawer 27" IPS panel "included" I don't think there's much reason to complain. Dell's UltraSharp 2709W will set you back around £750 (Dell website price), has a lower resolution and I don't believe it's an IPS panel (forums would suggest PVA).

This is obviously for professional use - it's packing a great screen and enough power to run applications like Photoshop and Illustrator. It comes in a much neater package than any PC + screen bundle will and I'd bet it's pretty quiet, too. My only issue with it would be it's not customisable at all.

I'm going to pick up 2x Dell 22" IPS screens for my PC at about £400 together, but if I had the money available I'd consider just getting this! :s

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Marcel1

12:33 PM on 24 November, 2009

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@Stephen

I see your point.

If you like a nice looking computer I can see the appeal. I think spending £1350 on a computer that has very little scope for upgrade which has over 50% of the value tied up in the display is madness but each to their own.

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NicholasName

12:43 PM on 24 November, 2009

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That is a very pretty computer. With the Apple fanbase it probably commands an excellent resale value. I suppose one buys it new and then ebays it before its value goes through the floor when the next model comes out. Then it probably is good value. Not so if one plans to keep it for any length of time.

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PoisonJam

1:28 PM on 24 November, 2009

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@Marcel - you raise a good point. If Apple had only included an HDMI input this could have been used with a Blu-ray player, allowed you to connect a laptop or be usable as a screen if and when the computer dies or becomes too out-dated.

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Keithe6e

1:46 PM on 24 November, 2009

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@Nicholas: Then it probably is good value. Not so if one plans to keep it for any length of time.

If you mean upgradable, then PC's are not that upgradable either really. Eg, going from say a DUO,QUAD to say I5/I7 you will need a new M/B, new Memory, new CPU/cooler. You could maybe keep your case/CD/DVD, but is that any big thing?, and this is not taking into account other changes like PCI/AGP/PCIe/USB/USB2/USB3,10/100/1000eth etc. And this has always been the case with PC's, there is this false belief that you can future-proof them.

The biggest problem I see with the IMac, is that the speed of tech between the monitor and the PC is substantially different. Eg, the PC will date much faster than the monitor. If these were separate, I can see the monitor being used for many more years than the PC part, eg, I'm still using the same monitor after having changed my PC 3 times.

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Penguin

2:07 PM on 24 November, 2009

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of course 10/10. I have the very first Apple iMac and it's still totally functional. I have had it upgraded once for 250,- EURO's and now it still runs as fast as any PC I know. I think with the new iMacs the value has only increased.

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PoisonJam

2:27 PM on 24 November, 2009

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@Keith - I consider upgrading the CPU, Mobo and sometimes RAM a "new PC". I've had my HHD, optical drive, PSU, case, screen and peripherals for a couple of overhauls. DDR2 lasted me two upgrades.

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BobaFett

3:04 PM on 24 November, 2009

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@Keith: as someone who has built a dozen PCs for myself and friends over the last 15 years, I totally agree with you on PC upgradeability or lack thereof. The most expensive components must be replaced with each CPU upgrade and only as a gamer, do I manage to squeeze a video upgrade in between those. The only upside of this upgrade cycle is that the old machine is virtually worthless so I always end up with a spare computer (minus case) to give to friends/family who need something that's still perfectly usable. They just won't be playing the latest games.

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3:35 PM on 24 November, 2009

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I've just bought an i7 version of this new iMac and having owned quite a few Macs and some PCs in the last 20 years or so, I have to say it is the best computer I have ever bought. Of course I would have liked Blu-ray, but getting a 27in 2560 x 1440 LED screen (something none of us expected)along with a fast quad-core processor has more than made up for this. I use a 2009 2.26ghz 8-core Mac Pro at work, and I have to say that I don't notice any major speed difference between this and the iMac, even on intense video encoding tasks.

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Jay4d0

3:48 PM on 24 November, 2009

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I usually go on about how bad value macs are but this is quite good value (size and type of screen and the components used) but I'm still not going to get one there's no bluray for one which I wouldn't care about if it were for the fact you could pipe a ps3 into it but the fact is you can't along with anything else that requires HDCP, even the cheap medion you mention can play bluray and has a TV tuner in it as well there's no way it's a 10 out of 10 but I wouldn't argue that it is a 9 overall in fact I'd argue that there can never be a score because it is such a subjective thing

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Gordon394

3:50 PM on 24 November, 2009

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@Jay - we've long argued scores add nothing to a review, all that is needed to make an informed opinion is to ready the article. Unfortunately scores are part and parcel of the industry and the first thing people like to check.

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bedo

4:32 PM on 24 November, 2009

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@Darfuria: previous generations aluminium iMac 20' has got an inferior LCD panel (just basic TN type and pretty bad at that), unlike its' bigger brother iMac 24' which's got IPS based one, albeit not with LED backlight. Thank Steve the Great all iMacs are now equipped with a quality LCD panel. Hooray!

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Chris

4:53 PM on 24 November, 2009

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It's a lot of money to spend on a monitor that's permanently attached to a machine you can't upgrade. Every monitor I've ever bought has lasted me through at least two PC upgrades.

That's more of a problem with the concept than the machine itself, which would actually seem to be very good value.

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darkspark88

5:49 PM on 24 November, 2009

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I can't imagine Apple making any money from Bluray, hence it's not included. In fact it probably cannibalizes their sales of download movies off itunes.

I think this computer is amazing, and can pack all the components into such a nice looking shell. Plus the price is actually good, even more so if you get the educational discount of about 12% to those in HE.

However I'm more interested in the HP Touchsmart 600, as it seems to offer more in terms of experience, and approaches computing differently to the performance is key argument.

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Mik

6:26 PM on 24 November, 2009

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I always thought macs included iworks or software of some kind (usually making them better value than PC's), but apples' store doesn't mention any office software - just the OS. When did that change?

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MrGodfrey

7:00 PM on 24 November, 2009

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Great review Hugo.

I have increasingly found Apple's products, software and services to be overrated and overpriced; from iPods to the audaciously priced MBA to the supposedly benevolent dictatorship that seems to be enforced across their product ranges. In other words, Apple do not easily impress me. So I can say without hesitation that yes, the iMac fully deserves the high marks awarded here. Of course you could find a PC of similar specifications for less, but one with a monitor of comparable quality, eating the same or less desk space? Here you are actually paying for what you get, rather than paying the "Apple tax" for no tangible benefit beyond a warm feeling inside. Here the importance of performance and practicality have been recognised as opposed to focusing entirely on aesthetics (and yet it still looks great).

I can think of only one complaint, and that is the glossy screen (or rather the lack of an alternative). This is a shame as it lessens the machine's potential for photo editing; with a less reflective screen I would consider it the ultimate amateur photographer's computer and buy it in an instant.

P.s. Ironduke, you repeatedly refer to Apple products as "lustful". Am I to understand that they are horny, lecherous devices which will constantly attempt to seduce me? Because that could get quite distracting...

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Jim Fulton

7:07 PM on 24 November, 2009

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@Mik - iWork is £54 preinstalled with one, which is Pages (read Word), Keynote (read Powerpoint), and Numbers (read Excel Lite). iLife is included, meaning iPhoto, iDVD, iMovie, Garageband, etc. Office for Mac is due a 2010 upgrade, current version is a couple of years old - but hey, that's xxxxxxxxx sorry was resorting to Fanboi-ism there.

Upgrade, shmupgrade - this'll do most of us for 5 years. My (nearly) 2 year old 24" 3.06Ghz is hardly even run in!

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andymcp

9:02 PM on 24 November, 2009

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Have long disregarded Macs on the price issue. Happened to take a look at these when we got an HD camcorder to play with, and for the first time felt they represented good value. A month into owning one and I would have to say that it's been well worth the pain of swapping from PCs, and a point of envy when mates drop round. 10/10 should rarely if ever be awarded. I'd go for 9.5, which I guess rounds up well enough.

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Malderon

9:18 PM on 24 November, 2009

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I may have missed this in your review, as I really only skimmed it (sorry! but it's an apple product), but can you connect other devices to use the monitor of the iMac? I would guess not as although it is largely desktop components it functions more like a laptop in its nature and you can never use a laptop display as a monitor afaik.

It would seem a waste to have a high quality display like that and not be able to run a PS3 or whatever through it.

And comparisons to high quality large monitors seems to be a large part of the recognised "value", if you cant connect other devices I would venture thats an unfair comparison.

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Ed

9:51 PM on 24 November, 2009

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@Malderon: Yes, it does. I'll leave you to reread the review to find out the details.

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darkspark88

10:13 PM on 24 November, 2009

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The current line of iMacs are the most affordable they've ever been. When you compare like for like components, the new iMac often matches and cannot be beaten with certain features like the screen and quality materials used. Then you add in build quality and design, and you seem to have a bargain on your hands.

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BobaFett

11:13 PM on 24 November, 2009

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@Malderon: it says on the first page that the 27" iMac has a mini DisplayPort that can be used for input, and apparently there's a special boot up mode for acting just as a monitor. Personally, I'd still prefer a seperate monitor and can't imagine many people would hold on to this iMac to use just as a monitor once it becomes out of date. Owners of all-in-systems are accustomed to this in any case (as are laptop owners). I think the feature is mainly for people who want to plug their Mac Book Pro into it.

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Ohmz

11:21 PM on 24 November, 2009

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Meh, no TV tuner, no Blu-Ray, and no Windows 7 are deal breakers for me.

Nice screen though. :-)

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NicholasName

11:36 PM on 24 November, 2009

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@Jules

"The operating system and applications for Macs do not rely so much on users having to have the latest hardware, as with PC's."

I think you might have mistyped that, unless you're still enjoying all that Power PC software?

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deus1066

11:50 PM on 24 November, 2009

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Just as it started to look tempting... the usual Apple quality control issues resurface:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/24/apple_imac_flaws/

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Jay4d0

12:39 AM on 25 November, 2009

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@Jules: PCs last equally long without upgrading as macs do perhaps even longer due to similarities in the architecture throughout the PCs history. upgrading is only 'required' if you truly need full on top graphical gaming performance which then it is very easy to accomplish without the expence of a new computer.

I have an 6 year old laptop I decided to look and reminisce at a month or two ago, and with XP, 512MB RAM and a 3.2GHz HT processor it happily and competently surfed the net edited photos in picassa, run office, played DVDs it even would play quake live, all this and it cost less than the going rate for an iBook back then it came with greater specs and has certainly out lasted them all, infact it will probably run aOK until support for XP ends in 2014 so if that's not good value I don't know what is.

This is true for every PC today you won't need to upgrade it at all but if you choose to at least you can, easily and affordably.

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SimonT

7:57 AM on 25 November, 2009

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About the keyboard:

"It can't be that bad, thought, given I've managed to complete this review without hurling it at the iMac..."

But it's bad enough to pull a typo out of you on that sentence. Oh the irony! ;-)

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DougEllison

8:19 AM on 25 November, 2009

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It would be VERY interesting to see this thing benchmarked for gaming under XP/Vista or Win 7.

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Peter

8:41 AM on 25 November, 2009

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@Malderon and @Ed I refer you to this forum thread from apple insider regarding PS3 compatibility. (It won't work easily). The input is only really designed for a Mac with Minidisplay port output / PC graphics with Display port output.

http://forums.appleinsider.com/showthread.php?t=104008

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PoisonJam

10:30 AM on 25 November, 2009

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@ Ed - I looked at all the pictures and did a browser (Ctrl + F) search on each page for HDMI and then DVI and didn't see anything. There's also no features table that you often include at the end of reviews.

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darkspark88

11:31 AM on 25 November, 2009

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What is the resale value of an iMac like this? I imagine that they depreciate at a slower rate than other pc AIO, but if you sold it in 2 years would you still get at least half of it's original value?

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Xiphias

12:33 AM on 26 November, 2009

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Why is everyone considering buying this for the monitor? Sure, Apple are the first to use this new LG Display panel but even if they've paid for an initial exclusive it's not like LG Display don't know the market for a screen like this and I'm sure we'll see monitors using it within a month or two. The upcoming Dell U2711 looks like a good candidate as the U2410 is IPS and there aren't any 27" IPS panels other than the LM270WQ1 used in this iMac.

@Keith: On upgradability you have to consider everything as this machine includes everything. The monitor, keyboard and mouse obviously won't last half as long as their PC counterparts if Apple continues their current policy. And upgradability doesn't have to mean replacement, you can upgrade a machine to add extra capabilities like adding a blu-ray drive, a new SD card format reader or a video capture cards. The only option for that on an iMac is external boxes or USB warts, and neither are pretty.

@Jules: "The fact that it is like a laptop in that the majority of components cannot be upgraded will not deter potential purchases, nor should it."

Have you heard of global warming or the energy crisis? Non-upgradable components are a bad thing and should deter everybody. Computers need to be a modular as is feasible so we only ever replace what we need/want to replace and not have to chuck the whole thing away and replace it just to get HD Video support when it's only one component that is insufficient.

@TustedReviews: Again, you haven't pointed out the downsides of the iMac in the review of this version. I know they won't affect everyone but some of them are rather important and if you've got room to catalogue the different specifications of the range I'm sure you can include them as well.

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Bluepork

9:19 AM on 26 November, 2009

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Jay,

I think your experience has been the exception rather than the rule. I have never managed to keep a windows based machine working with the performance it originally had for more than about 3 years. Performance really starts to degrade quite badly after that. And I'm not even a PC gamer.

Furthermore, a friend just gave me two old IBM Thinkpad laptops with the comment "If you can get them working, you can keep them!" I couldn't, but to be fair, that came down to physical problems rather than software.

By contrast, I have a PowerPC G4 Mac, in its 5th year, and still going strong. I'm running out of disk space, so I might need to upgrade that, but it works fine for Office and web apps, and everything apart from some of the more recent software which requires an intel processor.

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gondwanaman

11:49 PM on 29 November, 2009

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I've used Mac's for 15 years but the experience is starting to pall. The penultimate Imac I had crashed and most of our personal information was lost. Yes, should have backed up more frequently.

Now I've just tried to use an outboard DAC on the new unit and found out that the optical output doesn't work.

The beauty of Apple used to be; that in exchange for slightly outdated technology you got a machine that worked. Yes they were a bit slower and less specified but reliable and to most of us "fanboys" this was the point.

Now they have closed the technology gap all right but sacrificed quality.

I won't mention customer service. They're just another behemoth .

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Ben

2:39 PM on 28 January, 2010

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I received my 27" i7 iMac 2TB 8GB on Tuesday. Wow. The display is incredibly beautiful, crisp, and vibrant - and so white and even (God bless LED backlighting). Even the Magic Mouse seems to make more sense with this machine, though get BetterTouchTool so you can add some extra gestures (Magic Mouse is excellent at detecting middle click for Dashboard and 3-button-click for Exposé in my experience).

It's very quiet and, coming from a 2006 2.66 Mac Pro, it feels incredibly fast to use - apps seem to open almost 'SSD-fast'. My 2TB drive is a Hitachi. I know nothing about it, and I don't like Hitachi from past experience, but I can't fault how this feels.

What you get for your money in this package just blows me away. Can't recommend it enough.

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The 27in iMac may not be flawless, but it is peerless. The few improvements that could be made don't detract from the fact that this is quite simply the best iMac, and possibly even the best Mac, Apple has ever made.

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